Let's take a look at fruit. Unripe and hybridized. How does consuming fruit affect your health? What affect does fruit consumption have on diseases and cancer? Does the hybridization of fruit have no positive benefits? Let's ask the experts..
Panel Particpants: Brian Clement, Ph.D., L.N., Anna Maria Clement, Ph.D., L.N., Pamela A. Popper, Ph.D., N.D., Julieanna Hever, M.S., R.D., C.P.T., Garth Davis, M.D.
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How do you lose weight by having smoothies?
I have noticed that I put on weight, if introduce relular smoothie intake.
Unless, the only food they have is a few smoothies daily, but I do not see how they solve the problem with too much insulin and energy drops after the insulin flood.
I have tried it and noticed increase in my visceral fat.
i can imagine that juicy sugar will feed a cancer that sits in the gut lining. but if you want to starve a cancer that is deeper in the body and if fruit sugar (fructose?) is taken in the same as fat (what does that mean? they both don't require insulin sensitivity? probably) then how are you going to starve your cancer from the fat that exists abundantly, especially when you under eat because you avoid energy/sugar-dense foods? and would ketosis or coconut fat not feed insulin resistant brain tumors just the same as fruit sugar might feed insulin resistant cells? could the observed explosive growth of cancer (that is not a gut lining cancer) not also be related to the overfilling of the liver, the cells, the blood with any kind of fuel, in other words might it be a problem of overeating per time window? i mean, i can imagine that cells have to compete for fuel and that healthy cells would win the competition, unless fuel exists in excess, in a time window. people can easily experience fuel excess at one time of the day and loose weight at the end of the day. omad is so popular. i believe no meal should exceed the size of the liver which i estimate to be around 600 to 800kcal. and i believe the next hunger comes when the liver is rather empty. (on healthy diets without food addictions)
I love Garth and don’t want to be bias as Clements seems over the top. But Garth has a good point. Look at vegans. Or the ones who eat ten bananas a day then fruit all day. They actually are almost too thin... the more fruit I eat the thinner I become I’ve noticed. He also said he can’t find one study showing fruit makes you fat.
Genesis 1:29 King James Version (KJV)
29 And YAHUWAH said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
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Times (December 6, 1987): 17.
The Catholic Church has officially debunked a literal interpretation of
the Creation according to Genesis as "utter nonsense."
A point that never seems to get mentioned is that most of our commercial fruit is force ripened with gas. So the fruits contain immature acids which are unhealthy and have a de-calcifying effect in the body. As the fruit is picked too early, these acids haven't had a chance to convert to natural sugars with the help of the Sun.
As usual, Brian Clement says the truth and people who can´t handle the truth (99%) scream and cry and call him quak... Thank you Brian. You are a beacon of light! Bless you for being above these narrow minded beings. Please keep shining on you crazy diamond!
Unripe fruit is better than ripe fruit, it has more enzymes and less sugar, so it is better used for cleansing and enzyme supplementation. Fruit should always be eaten with a raw fat too, to slow down the release of sugar in the blood stream. Raw meat and raw animal products are amazing too by the way...
Brian Clement is CLUELESS when it comes to fruit
he says things like well in our research we found that fruit increased Metastasis what research? notice he doesn't cite a single source just says "in our research" might as well say Big bird told me What a PILE of COW MANURE you can sell Brian! thousands of people have gone on a 100% fruit diet & completely Reversed their cancer Obliterating it!
so Brian "in your research" you came up short on Truth STOP Lying to people telling them not to eat fruit!
Can he let anyone else talk? Good grief...stop interrupting! Let others who have other opinions say something. Garth makes a great attempt to give another perspective but Pam Popper has the real balls of the whole bunch. She knows her stuff! I wonder why she didn't persist? I guess Clement just steamrolls over everyone who doesn't agree with him? I've watched a lot of his talks because he is so often with other panelists I want to hear and he always plays the ..."Well when I talked to (insert author's name) privately...he always knows all these famous people privately you see and they always agreed with him..in private.
I mean.....is cancer is a metabolic disease often having to do with the pathway of glucose metabolism.....it'd make perfect sense to get off fruit.
But the main thing is probably to be metabolically flexible. So that you're not overusing one metabolic pathway. (carb or protein overload).....or keto overload (fat overload).
This is why fasting and keto is all the rage right now and helps so many people. Because SOOOO many people in our country have a ton of problems associated with glucose metabolism....because they've completely overloaded it.
Ahhh, it is becoming clear to me now. I was a vegetarian for 34 years, but ate dairy, and eggs. I had forgotten why I never went all the way with becoming vegan, but now I remember! Once you begin to make the choice to eat a PB diet, everyone starts coming out of the cracks telling you to not eat fruit, don't eat certain vegetables, legumes are terrible for you, stop cooking vegetables and grains, etc. I got frustrated and said to hell with ALL of it and just ate what I wanted. I have been doing the vegan PB deal for 2 months now, and I am just totally pissed that they do these videos and of 5 so called experts-no one can agree! I am going to go and grab a hamburger, buy a pack of smokes, and wash it down with a freakin milkshake because I feel totally and utterly DEFEATED in my quest to eat a healthy, cruel free diet that will benefit me and my family...and then all of this nonsense pops up. Can u people on the panel understand why the public continuously knocks the lifestyle-and laugh when u say the word "Vegan," since it is just too damn misleading and you so called experts can't even agree on a damn banana? I am seriously thinking of saying forget it. I am super disappointed.
dhkrescue don't rely on panels. look at the overwhelming gist of the well-conducted research and make its implications fit your life as well as you can. i eat WFPB the vast majority of the time and i'm much better off for it... i do the best i know how.
Who is that young looking lady that says she is 73? What is she eating? I want HER diet. And by the way if you are eating an unripe fruit you are eating less sugar..not more. How about Gerson therapy which cures cancer with juices?
Shes eating lots of seafood. It is clear in the literature how good seafood is, and these people know the literature. Organ tissue is amazing too. All these people are lying scumbags though so they say seafood is bad.
Who is that young looking lady that says she is 73? What is she eating? I want HER diet. And by the way if you are eating an unripe fruit you are eating less sugar..not more. How about Gerson therapy which cures cancer with juices?
Brian Clements really wants to win against Garth and attacked everything Garth says, in this video. 1.If you have cancer don't eat fruit/starch, because you should starve the cancer (Garth knew this, Clements shouldn't act like he invented it) 2.Fruit puree (with or without the fiber) contains so much fruit that you couldn't eat in whole fruit form, but its easier to gulp down and thats why you get fat. (Garth knows this)
The thing Mr. clement forgets is that fruits along with the sugar carries other substances with them. f.eks. Grapes have powerfull cancer fighting substances that will be absorbed along with the sugar. When the fructose from the grapes reaches the cells or cancer cells the cancer cells eats the sugar, but also the chemical that will make them ''kill'' themselves. Fruit has a way of acting as a trojan horse against cancer cells, and at the same time feeding the healthy cells. I will say though that i agree with the benefits of fasting if you are extremely sick
I understand clements position but he has some flaws. He states about fruit having 30 times more sugar than the originals. Well yeah because the originals had almost no calories and you would starve to death eating them. He is also right about the fruit needing to be ripe so choose local or else get fruit that ripens after being picked. Also he is right that if you have cancer it is ideal to limit fruit consumption and focus on more low carb plant foods. But if you do not have cancer eating a good amount of fresh fruit will be fine.
When Dr. Greger did a research analysis on fruit, there was only one consequence found with eating too much fruit, and it was not a negative consequence at all. The repercussion of eating too much fruit is having a very large bowel movement.
I would love and I mean really love to watch Dr robert morse on this panel. Its amazing how to watch these guys discussing about fruit and cancer when they don't know yet what causes cancer. Its the lymph sytem and fruit has the most power to clean it! Oh Clement I just want to face palm when I hear you. He has good intentions but he is just wrong about this. Fruit makes the lymph system move and you have to open up the elimination channels (kidneys/bowels/skin) of your body so that it can drain. If they dont open up you can see cysts and tumours growing because they dont have a way to drain. Simple yet they are still so confused. Luckily Dr Garth is surprising me a lot lately. He has a Common Sense detector in his scientific oriented brain :D.
+missiris1234 he owns an operates a place called hypocrates health institute which is a facility in South Florida founded by Ann Wigmore that was originally a type of health clinic with the primary focus of helping people to obtain health or recover the health they had even after a cancer diagnosis Ann Wigmore used to help patients treat their cancers at the clinic rather than at a Hospital with the right foods, Herbs and Nutrition instead of the poisons they use on people at the average hospitals and plenty of people went home from hypocrates health institute cancer free after being diagnosedwith a very malignant Tumor by a Dr.
but nowadays brian clement runs the place he sells juicers & supplements enzymes potions, tinctures and elixirs
he is a salesman not a health & wellness physician in fact the only thing he knows about health and wellness is they don't sell healthfood at mcdonald's beyond that clement is a salesman
the ability to sell an ICE CUBE to an Eskimo does NOT Qualify you to call yourself a health professional or a skilled Healer
otherwise a used car salesman can call himself a PROFESSIONAL automotive design Specialist.
clement is Constantly DISSING fruit and always bringing up these BS "supposed studies" that fruit causes cancer because its easy to sell that Garbage to people when you call yourself a health GURU & you own a clinic called hypocrates health institute
I guess brian has NEVER heard of the folks that were given a cancer diagnosis then went on a 100% fruit diet and OBLITERATED their cancer to NEVER have cancer again without all of the CRAP brian has to sell them & on a 100% diet of the very food he says causes cancer he is not into health and wellness he's into the INSANE amount of money he can make selling people his GARBAGE disguised as health & wellness.
I was Laughing so hard watching brian clement Nearly in tears down at the end of the table as every other expert on the panel proved over & over again how Fruit is the # 1 food we should be eating
after he sat there dissing fruit with all these cockamamie stories referencing studies that don't exist
fruit causes this cancer initiates certain Matastesis Blah Blah Blah
Go actually read and do some research brian instead of just sharpening your sales angle
I guess he forgot to read the accounts of the people who were diagnosed with some form of cancer and went on an ALL 100% COMPLETE FRUIT diet to FULLY Reverse their diagnosis
Shhh don't tell anyone that then I won't sell as much crap to suckers.
So disappointed that all these fabulous doctors are always on the same panel as clement, who's not a doctor, received his credentials from diploma mills and therefore nothing he says about medical research can be trusted. He has the nerve to refer to his "medical colleagues" when in fact he is not apart of the medical profession whatsoever. Makes me so mad. Just give me the real medical professionals.
I get your point, and I'm actually not that familiar with the guy but I always try to abstain appealing to authority. Education doesn't make someone infallible, Dr. Atkins was also a doctor and a cardiologist and his life's work is in complete opposition to everyone on this panel. When it comes to debate or weighing in on any issue, either your point is good or it isn't. Not knocking these doctors and other health professionals, but their health education had to be acquired outside of their institution of higher learning much like a layperson would have to. I will say that having that formal education better prepares one to actually understand scientific literature, but it doesn't dismiss outright someone who doesn't. Otherwise, who are we to question anything when there's always someone more educated out there?
but it was HILARIOUS when brian started dissing fruit & then EVERY SINGLE other speaker on the Panel said how Amazing fruit is I thought brian was gonna cry.
Hopefully he felt really embarrassed by everyone showing him how wrong he is talking down fruit as if it is bad for your health.
This discussion is done in a very unaccurate fashion: Fruit very widely among themselves, we can go from avocados to apples and dates(which have for instance a very low glycemic index). Potato was an higher glycemic index than most of the fruit...is there something specially bad about fructose? A higher glycemic index would promote an higher "warburg effect"? There is not much of a theory framework being clearly exposed
Does Brian even listen? ( around 17 mins in with the large lecture on PET scans and using sugar as the trace)
Davis already stated earlier that if one does have cancer already that they should reduce and carefully watch their carb intake, even from fruits, but if you don't already have a cancer diagnosis, eating fruit is not the issue.
Brian is arguing against nothing and he is trying really hard to make sure that people make the false connection about carbs. Everyone already agreed that cancer cells love the sugars so restating it over and over has nothing to do with lots of fruit being bad for you.
His argument reminds me of when people hammer on carbs because of diabetes (type 2). Yes, too much sugar is a bad thing when you already have it but this ignores the fact that insulin resistance comes from the cells being filled with too much lipids and not enough room to accept the sugars that the insulin is trying to push into the cells, thus insulin resistant. The carbs are not causal but they can become a problem once the disease starts. Same with cancer. High carb diets (from whole foods) is not going to cause cancers but if you have a cancer you need to change what you fuel with and there are plenty of ways to still be whole food plant based and be low carb or even keto until a cancer is beaten like a red-headed step child.
Clement looks sick, he should eat fruit the food designed for are race!! Clement does not even know the difference between juicing and smoothies! The cancer sugar thing is a little silly cause any carb you eat turns into glucose, including vegetables !! Eat fruit, dum dums!!
Pam Popper got it right. Potatoes and grains as your main source of calories, then vegetables, then some fruit. Nothing wrong with fruit, it's a healthy addition to the diet and I know some people eat a ton of it and seem to do well but it's not ideal. The human being is a starchivore, not a frugivore. Also, this is anecdotal but if I try to fuel a workout with bananas or oranges my energy crashes about halfway through, whereas if I fuel up on corn or brown rice beforehand I'm golden the whole time.
johnny roe Well I wouldn't call it a placebo because when I tried using fruit I expected it to be a good energy source for my workouts. A placebo is something that works because you expect it to work. It is an anecdote, however, and therefore should be taken with a grain of salt, but it's definitely my experience. The fiber in fruit does slow down digestion but fruit still does digest faster that whole starches. As for your question about athletes using refined carbs, I don't know about that. I know that the Kenyan marathon runners eat cornmeal mush as their main fuel which is unrefined.
"but it makes sense when you consider that fruit is simple sugar whereas starch is complex so gives more "time released" energy" fruits usually are pretty slow diggesting, just like whole starches.. not only because they are full of fiber but also other plant compounds that slow digestion...
so your personal experience is placebo
Anyway thanks for the source
Gad, Clements is a joke, half of what he says is just plain voodoo. I'm sick of these raw food fanatics like him putting out false information and making things hard for people to be plant based eaters. Quacky Clements and his unhealthy looking, wacky wife need to quit scaring people about fruit. Fruit in its whole form IS healthy and is an enjoyable part of being plant based eater. Eat fruit, but try to eat more veggies. Avoid juices because they aren't whole fruits, and don't drink a lot of smoothies if you tend to gain weight. Simple as that. Now go enjoy some fruit.
cswrb - Clement was grossly overweight - that's his point of view - of a dying fat man. Good for him he found a limited diet that works. May be a god to other with similar challenges. He's not a quack. Take the good from each!
Fruit sugar can feed cancer, but only under certain circumstances. If those circumstances do not exist, fruit actually helps to resolve cancer. And those circumstances can be controlled for! See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sw6LciiKrKk
Lol @ the comments below. Brian and his wife at great people. They are just stating the facts. Fruit is a great food but a fruit based diet will age you rapidly and feed every known disease. They arnt advising against fruit, just saying not to make it a staple and to make the greens a staple. I was fruit based and was really damamging myself. Went to hippocrates and their sprout based diet really turnt my life around. To each his own though. If fruit works for you great
NatuHealth yes you are absolutely on point. I don't believe he is either and nor am I. I learnt from him to drink about a quart of green juice a day, half sprouts. That is incredible nutrition and it works. I find I have high tolerance to cooked starches in the evening when I do this, he probably does the same, a cooked starch meal in the evening. However for people fighting a disease it's smart to go all raw
Indeed that is exactly what I was about to ask. There just is no evidence of what you are saying. All studies to date show that fruits are protective of diabetes and cancer (just to name a couple) and extremely healthy, as they should be, being filled with phytonutrients, vitamins, minerals, antioxidants and fiber. Having said that I do prefer a "balanced" diet including green leafy vegetables, whole grains, seeds, legumes and fruits...I believe it is the synergy of the micro-nutrients in all of these that make a diet optimal.
His sproutarian diet is no better than the fruit based raw vegan diets from a sustainability perspective.
Far too low in calories and energy to be sustainable long-term.
I've still never met a single person in my 10+ years in the raw vegan movement who has made his sproutarian diet work long-term.
If Brian really was eating a caloric deficit sproutarian diet strictly himself as he so casually promotes to others at HHI, then he wouldn't be the BMI he is.
I'm not vegan personally, but i have to admit garth and his friends look a million times better than these mostly raw people. If I ever was to go vegan, it would probably be cooked vegan with starch as a staple.
I think one of the problems with raw is that it’s hard to eat enough calories. They all look really skinny which I think ages them.
Sometimes when I want to show my abs a little more I’ll eat raw for a week and boom, body fat drops. Try eating 4 big carrots. Takes ages and you’re full but you’ve only eaten 150 calories 😮
I only watch Clement, when Dr.Davis and Dr. Popper are on the pannels. Science states we are closest to frugivore than any other classification. Clement is a charismatic spin doctor, who is constantly beating his chest on these panels. I have never seen Dr.Davis make so much effort in placating and pandering someones ego, as much as this episode. You're not mean or a bully for laying out the truth, and if that person feels attackes...well... ? I guess Dr.Davis is being the better man, in this instance. Like I said, I avoid watching Clement speak; my eye twitches.
I eat 7-10 servings of fruit a day (including at least 3 apples and/or pears) and I have been drinking smoothies for over one year (~70% green + seeds + 30% fruits) and I have not gained any weight (at least fat-derived weight). I should point out that do I run/strength-train 6 times a week.. Furthermore the hypothesis that the sugar in fruit "feeds cancer" is not supported by Dr. William Li work on angiogenesis (process by which our bodies grow blood vessels): " when we actually tested foods finally, we were not at all surprised to find that many foods inhibit angiogenesis. And in fact, this is supported by the hundreds of scientific publications that have emerged showing that specific bioactive natural chemicals that are found in foods, found in fruits, vegetables, herbs, spices, are actually angiogenesis mediators, and most of them are angiogenesis inhibitors." Basically plant foods (including fruits) seems to reduce vascularization in cancer. On the other hand there is no evidence that fruits "feed" cancer. Perhaps Clement is correct with regard to refined carbs and sugar but I think he is wrong with regard to fruits
Yes, and even Dr. Valter Longo´s Fast-mimicking diet which is actually undergoing a series of clinical trials seems to be showing positive results. However angiogenesis seems to work as well. It is relatively preliminary but you can listen to a a Ted talk by Dr. Li on the topic.
We all have cancer cells trying to get going all the time - it is very important for us to eat the foods that help to kill them off by strengthening our immune system -> G-BOMBS and tomatoes (Nutritarian diet style) and www.Nutritionfacts.org FTW - Health is Power!
The advocate for the Nutritarian approach to eating (Dr. Joel Fuhrman - Eat To Live) also wrote a book about the benefits of fasting. Recently, he has recommended that one eats a nutrient dense diet for a period of time prior to doing a fast so that one doesn't begin the fast with any deficiencies. Cheers!
Fruits that ripen after picking (these can be picked unripe)
Fruits that need to be picked ripe (these will not ripen if picked unripe)
Strawberries (and all berries)
Oranges (all types)
Grapefruits (and all citrus)
Peppers (only red peppers are ripe)
There are other fruits, please add to each list as you find.
Well old religious texts should be seen as wisdom passed down over thousands of years by our ancestors. It would be pretty stupid to ignore all that information gathered over such a long period of time.
You may also check the work of Dr. Valter Longo who advocates a fast-mimicking diet to fight cancer. He does include some fruit though. On the other hand there is the work of Dr. Willian Li on angiogenesis, and he claims that whole plant foods, including fruits, seem to be protective and inhibit vessel formation in cancerous lesions. We should clearly differentiate sugars (in its refined form) from sugas within the context of fruits (and complex carbs). Sugar in fruits comes with fiber (which delays its absorption and blunts insulin response), phytonutrients, antioxidants, anti-inflammatory compounds, etc...
Frédéric L. Haentjens All (or atleast most) of the cells thrive on sugars so when you try to deprive cancer of sugars, you deprive your body. Fasting might still be good if you have cancer. Checkout Robert Morse for more information.
Daaaaammmnn she's 73??? She look young as hell!! I would have never ever ever thought that!! Lol man well that is at least one other big reason you should listen to what she is saying. Along with the others as well of course scientifically but she looks really youthful full of energy so that really surprised me that she is 73 haha man oh man her husband is a lucky man.
Way to confuse the public guys. And we wonder why people get frustrated over nutritional advise. BTW, I read similar advise over supplementing with beta carotene, vitamin A. Good antioxidant to prevent cancer, except if you have it, it will exacerbate it. Great, what does one do with that advise?
Researchers and doctors like Dr. Greger is not just "saying" out of the blue. Dr. Greger is reviewing the scientific literature and taking into consideration the long-living healthy populations (i.e. blue zones) and most reliable, serious studies point to beans and grains being extremely healthy for -most- of the people. This guy even admits that there is nothing in the scientific literature supporting his views with regard to fruits. He is just basing his speculative ideas on some guy´s book and on "agricultural" research (which strangely does not appear on PubMed). By the way, I do not think he is a doctor (of medicine).
I don’t understand why people like dr greger say beans and fruits veggies reverse and kill cancer. Like phytates in beans and grains. But yet some doctors like dr Brian say they feed cancer. I don’t get it
Surprising from Garth. Yes, much conventional fruit picked premature, yet a much less harmful option than other consumptions. And with skill, many supermarkets do sell maturely picked fruits. Overeating high fat fruits cause weight gain and consuming excess calories with each consumption causes weight gain, yet with fruit, weight gain not as easy since primary glucose sourcing makes excercise easy and a body utilizes it much easier and it's high water content makes it faster to eliminate. Andrew Perlot, although not exactly scientific, demonstrated weight gain on fruit. Overeating fruit, then over-exercising a harmful fad.
"Overeating fruit, then over-exercising a harmful fad." Not sure what you mean here. I have actually been eating fruits of all types (except perhaps not so much of the fattier ones such as avocado) for years. Currently I am on >7 servings a day of apples, blueberries, pineapple, banana, pear, grapes, pomegranate, kiwis, etc, etc in smoothie or fruit form...I have not gained any (undesirable ) weight, but I do exercise 6 times a week. The energy from the fruits definitely "feeds" my workouts (runs + strength training). Furthermore in addition to the fruit I also consume plenty of seeds, nuts, green leafy vegetables, legumes naturally. Perhaps if you do have cancer you should reduce somewhat your fruit consumption even though I have not seen significant studies supporting that view in PubMed. On the other hand there is the work on angiogenesis by Dr. William Li who says that: " when we actually tested foods finally, we were not at all surprised to find that many foods inhibit angiogenesis. And in fact, this is supported by the hundreds of scientific publications that have emerged showing that specific bioactive natural chemicals that are found in foods, found in fruits, vegetables, herbs, spices, are actually angiogenesis mediators, and most of them are angiogenesis inhibitors." Basically plant foods (including fruits) seems to reduce vascularization in cancer. On the other hand there is no evidence that fruits "feed" cancer. Perhaps Clement is correct with regard to refined carbs and sugar but I think he is wrong with regard to fruits.
Short term not a significant weight gain, yet long term yes. When our body consumes excess calories regardless of macronutrient ratio, it coverts it to fatty tissue as its reserves. We need not much calories since we evolved in tropics in trees, we need light bodies. And we survived, a hundred thousand years or so in semi-arid desserts and cold climates which our bodies made us efficient at storing excess calories in our tissues during climate changing droughts/famine. Hydration key.
Just Call Me Bookworm Thank you. Makes sense. For myself I wouldn’t be fruitarian. Right now I have berries daily and occasional piece of fruit. I enjoy a but more fruit in summer though and I will have a fruit smoothie sometimes.
Manno Adamo Thanks for that. It’s interesting. I was waiting to hear what the doctor was trying to say about smoothies but he kept getting interrupted. He did say the people he has observed who are really healthy eat fruit. I’ve observed that as well.
Hippocrates - "Let food be thy medicine, and medicine be thy food". Is well known.
But the part after that is interesting..."To feed yourself when you are sick, is to feed your sickness"
I guess fasting is the answer?
I'm just coming back from a bout with strep that went into my ear, and honestly I haven't been hungry at all until today so... let your body heal, and stay hydrated, your appetite will come back when your body is ready for an influx of nutrition.
i find myself able to fast the easiest i ever have when im accustomed to high or all fruit diet for a few days. gotta consider the whole digestive tract's absorption rate too, cause the longer i eat cooked i need to eat high or all fruit diet for longer or fast longer to get the benefits of the fruit. far less pleasant fasting off of cooked food, especially where i feel the "hunger"
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