Crisis pregnancy centers deceptively steer women away from abortion. They can be started way too easily by religious groups like, for instance, a late night talk show’s megachurch.
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I'm on the fence a lot of the time when it comes to the morals or pro-life or pro-choice, but I absolutely think abortion should be legal and readily available as any other healthcare service. Otherwise, you get a skyrocketing statistic of botched abortions.
I'd say I'm pro-choice when it comes to abortion, but really I feel it'd be better if women didn't have to make such a difficult choice in the first place. Unfortunately most counties healthcare systems would not be able to handle the workload of sterilising the population to the point where IVF is the only way to get pregnant in most cases. You could use a virus for the sterilisation, but you run the risk of contaminating countries where IVF isn't available, effectively killing off that country.
Yet you have no problem with "Planned Parenthood" do you John "Discount Harry Potter" Oliver? They do not plan out parenthood they help people avoid it. All you need to do is look up the long ass laundry list of abhorrent things that have happened in these abortion centers you support. Children being ripped apart, thrown in GARBAGE CANS, and sympathetic nurses trying to help said children tossed in the garbage are fired. People saying abortions should be paid for by taxpayer money all the way up to right before birth. You people really see NO issues with any of this? I have no words.
Everyone is absolutely entitled to their beliefs on abortion. However, these people are using their beliefs as a reason to lie, manipulate and jeopardize the health of mothers and their unborn children. If taxpayers don’t want to be forced to fund planed parenthood they shouldn’t be forced to fund CPCs either.
What's so bad about volunteers providing women with other options besides abortion? Is John Oliver such a die-hard abortion fan that he can't stand volunteers showing people that there are options other than abortion? It seems kind of weird...
OK let's be clear. THIS IS NOT ABOUT FEWER ABORTIONS. THIS IS NOT ABOUT the "precious LIFE of a baby". This is about the christian view that life begins at CONCEPTION or even before that. The source of this odd idea is quite old and are the few places in teh bible where it seems to mention God knowing about a person even as they are conceived (which makes sense if you think about God as a being "existing outside of time") this was taken to heart to imply that God has plans for ALL unborn souls and DENYING God the fruition of that plan is immoral. So Abortion: killing a baby. Contraception: preventing the earthly manifestation of an unborn soul - both of which would be immoral from the standpoint that both prevent the full realization of whatever "plan" God had for that soul in life.
Note: the above is also more or less (afaik) the reason why things like masturbation and anal sex is considered immoral. Because it DETRACTS from the main point of sex - to give birth to a baby.
The discussion and debate of abortion is one that most are familiar with, and one that appears to have no end in sight. Right away we can see the two most prominent moral stances in conflict, namely the belief of the right for to choose and right to one’s own body, and the right to life and rights of the fetus. This debate often times lead us down the road of ongoing debate pertaining to human personhood and where we draw the line for when a human becomes a person, but that will not be the focus of my comment.
I would like to begin by commending the stance of people who feel strongly against abortion and their value of life, whether that is from a religious underlying or not. I believe in their right to voice their beliefs and opinions, and to engage with others with differing views to discuss and debate. However, how crisis pregnancy centers (CPCs) goes about this process is morally questionable to me. The first issue I would like to address is the false informing that occurs at these CPCs. They have been known to give false medical information such as attributing suicidal behaviors and cancer to abortion in order to convince pregnant women to not have an abortion. Not only is this a form of biased coercion that impairs others from making truly autonomous and truly informed decisions, I will even argue that it violates the principles of non-maleficence and beneficence. Non-maleficence can be defined as not inflicting harm or evil. In this case, disseminating false medical information can have dire consequences upon another person. For example, there was case brought up in this video where a patient was falsely told by a CPC that she is allowed to have the abortion up until term. Thus, by the time she decided to have the abortion, she was well passed the legal timeframe to have one, and is not in the financial or emotional capacity to give birth. Instead of preventing harm, this false information led to the harm of the patient, thus violating non-maleficence. Beneficence can be described as preventing/removing harm and promoting good. Providing false information to coerce another person into making an informed decision is not promoting good, since much of this false medical information can cause harm like in the previous example.
Mothers are not programmed to die for their babies, infact during the dark ages & medieval times it use to depressingly common for mothers to kill their children when they could no longer support them. because a fully grown adult human being with skills and expertise is FAR more valuable than an infant. don't correspond or confuse modern day privilege & luxury with human instinct.
You showd us in your show that you can do so much more that only laughing at the problem, i don't know why you stopped at that with your resources when you could realy make a difference, just get a legitimate crew of people and get them into this bus so they can park in front of the CPC locations and give the real info to the women who needs it.
I got pregnant during my first year at university. I chose to have an abortion because I don't want children; because I don't want to pass on my family's fucked up mental health issues; because I didn't want to drop out of uni; because staying in uni & raising a child would have been too much for me; because I didn't want to lose control of my body; because the morning sickness was so bad, I couldn't even keep water down.
I have never regretted having the abortion, & it was actually a lot less unpleasant than the pregnancy symptoms. At 7 weeks 6 days, it wasn't a baby; it was a parasite lodging in my womb, & as the landlord, I have the right to evict it.
These organizations are absolutely morally horrifying. I went to a conservative Christian school from Kindergarten through high school. I honestly have no idea how much of my tuition went towards funding these CPCs. All of my sex ed was actually taught by the local CPC. I cannot explain to you how terrifying it is to hear the quote, "If you got pregnant, even through rape, it is completely your fault and you should love your baby no matter what." I've been told that condoms don't work, that the pills don't work, and it's truly my fault that these things don't work because of "human's sinful nature." To this day, I hate how I was taught and I guarantee you that nothing has changed. These need to go as soon as possible.
If you are one that believes abortions are wrong or a sin, and have in anyway coerced another person "not" to have an abortion when she really did need one.. I really do believe you are now just as responsible for that baby as the mother now is. In the sense I believe you should have to pay child support until the baby turns 18, just like a divorced husband often has too.
You can't pro-claim you have saved a life that can't defend for it's self, until such time you have helped cared for that life until it has reach the age it can do so (~18yr old)
Pro-choice doesn't make you a baby murderer. It simply means you let the woman choose if they are able to have a baby.
Should a woman become a mother when she is an alcoholic? What if she knows she has a problem and realises she is in no state to care for another, needing to fix herself before being able to take care of another..
Rape Victims... to care for the child of the person that raped you, a constant haunting reminder & a burden that you didn't ask for.
In a perfect world, there wouldn't be any abortions... but we don't live in a utopia, but we can at least give the basic freedom to let all women have the right to choose.
Jon... think about the unborn children, Jon. Do they need certain requirements to have for you to think about them? Like... are they supposed to be, Muslim and/or African. Or anything else besides male and/or white.
Well let's kill the babies. Abortions and eugenics were made to get rid of people who are not fit for the society. And technically I'm not a white person and that's why I hate abortion. Google abortion history
This is why the bible belt has such high teen pregnancy rates. They are misinformed and purposely barricaded from opportunities that could help them! "Condoms have a 20% failure rate" no they have a 20% failure rate when a girl wants to get pregnant by trapping a guy; as half the guys I went to high school with will agree with that statement.
These people are evil. Absolutely EVIL. They deliberately pretend to be the clinic, lure you inside, make sure you eat so you can't then get your real procedure, sometimes take your pants so you can have an ultrasound. Then they terrify you so by the time you escape you're a mess and you've missed your real appointment.
They don't give a flying fuck about women after the baby is born, they don't want to pay for free healthcare or education or daycare. They're disgusting.
You can believe abortion is wrong but I will only respect that opinion if you're willing to not only pay the taxes for free healthcare and education for everyone, but also clothing, food and toys for those kids so that every damn child gets everything they need. Plus daycare so the mothers can work to support that kid. PLUS a full nine months maternity leave, plus parental leave - because if life begins at conception we can't have pregnant women working and risking miscarriage.
I've known only one person to agree to all that, and then he's still pro-choice. I respect the hell out of him.
murder is murder but some murders are justifiable i mean if your going to do away with abortion why not do away with the death penalty. The percentage of people on death row later acquitted is estimated at 4.1%. Furthermore I in 30 American children are homelees that's an est. 2.5 milllion childdren potentially go hungry everyday of this year. Where are these anti abortionist then.
Oh my God, CPS are fucking EVIL!!!! How can you argue against birth control, if you don't want abortions???? And they are OUTRIGHT LYING! Yes, if used correctly, condoms are VERY effective (like 98%). The one person I know who had a condom break, DID use it incorrectly (you are supposed to squeeze the air out of the reservoir at the end, after you put the condom on). CPS is the DUMBEST THING I'VE EVER HEARD!!! In fact, all of the dumbest things I've ever heard has been linked to organized religion, usually Christianity. I wish I lived in the days where organized religion had died out. I'm glad my country isn't into extreme religion. The fact that the CPS gets money from USA taxpayers is RIDICULOUS!!!! So, let's force you to have a baby, but then you are 100% on your own, DESPITE the fact that the mother KNEW she couldn't look after this child. And if they're doing drugs, the baby will probably be severely retarded, costing even more in care. This is horrendous. WTF is going on in the States??????????????
Another thing to remember about Pro-lifers is that many of them have literally crossed picket lines to sneak their own 15 year old daughter in for an abortion. They then go back out the rear door and re-join the picket parade. So, they are total cold, calcualted hypocrits who get off on judging others. But once it comes to anyone in their own family, somehow "that's different." I doubt any real Christian who know Jesus' true message of love would agree that their behavior and their hate is remotely Christian.
That's the guy that's so stupid when he did a rebuttal on the nuclear waste one he said that there are materials that have a half life of 'infinity'. I don't think anyone should turn to him for intellectual advice.
Sometimes I'm like 'wish I lived in america so I could __________ much easier than I can ___________ here. And then I watch john oliver and I stop being an idiot. Cause I may live in a backward unimportant country with a collapsing economy but america, that's fucked up
My biological mom, who was a teenager at the time, went to a CPC 24 years ago to get an ultrasound and then an abortion, The woman that was volunteering helping with ultrasounds and talking to woman was a 40 year old woman who was unable to have kids. After seeing me in utero my biological mom made the decision to carry me full term and give me up for adoption, the person that adopted me? The lady from the CPC.
If it wasn't for cpc's I would not exist, my mom and dad would still not have kids, my biological mom (who now works full time for a cpc) would be in who knows what kind of bad place, My beautiful 11 month old daughter wouldn't exist.
It is insane and disgusting that people like john oliver can't see these things. I am a living testament to how powerful and useful CPCs are and how when you get an abortion you are stifling not just one, but potentially many lives.
My aunt was raped. If she didn't get an abortion then she would have been in such a bad place financially that she would have had to stay with the rapist. She now lives happily with her husband and three kids. Tell me her life would have been better if she didn't have the choice.
Taking a morning after pill isn't abortion, It's contraceptive. which i am all for. IDK where you got that stat because that's absolutely not true. And again I don't like abortions but i also absolutely don't want back ally abortions. but my problem is it is so normal now, it is so empowered and normalized. Which i think is unexceptionable. Abortion should always be a last resort. Like you said they have morning after pills, condoms. Plenty of cheap contraceptives. Point is we as a society need to teach abortions are a last resort and never a good thing, and the government shouldn't subsidize PPH.
Terrible analogy, I'm saying don't attack the priest when he comes to your village with food. PPH doesn't plan babies, their sole goal is a quota of as many abortions as possible. At CPC they try to get you to have your baby and give it up for adoption. I am not some christian anti-abortionist. but 65 million babies have been aborted since PPH was instituted.
Here's an idea; I might get an abortion van and drive around handing out early first trimester abortion medicine. And park in front of religious people and their shit and start harassing then with this stuff. If they think it's okay to do then I should be allowed to do it too
What pissed me off is when I went to them for the free ultrasounds, they still made me look at pictures of aborted babies, and yes said the fetus parts could kill me. All the horrible none sense after I told them I wanted the baby, just couldn't afford an ultrasound.
+StormCrown Alright if you are talking about global warming and the mental issues regarding people nowadays those are entirely different topics that we can have a discussion about in the future if you would like to, but we are talking about the issue of abortion and whether or not it's correct. Once again I plead that you do some intensive research and look into the video, even if you may disagree with its points. At least this way you may gain some more insight into the whole issue. Thank you for responding and showing some dedication to this discussion, and I hope to hear from you when you have watched the video and perhaps some others.
+Johanet yeah, sorry about that, I was writing that on mobile. You how accurate they are for people with large hands. As to Crowder not being a science denier? Have you seen his stuff on mental health and climate change? If he's willing to mislead his audience on those issues multiple times, why should I listen now? Like President moron put it: Fool me once shame, shame on and you can't get fooled again.
Why is it that when people think they are doing "the right thing" they do it in the most horribly convoluted way possible? If abortion is so "wrong", why is it you have to get so purely evil to end it? Just let people do what they need to do for their own lives. These women have agency, these women know what their lives are like, you just sit there with your ignorant judgement and try to "save" "a child" whose name you will never know, whose life you will never know, whose sufferings you will never know. Other humans do not exist to fulfill your ideals and beliefs. JUUUUUUSSSSSTTTT STOOOOOOP!
Our country's extremist views on "free speech" are the problem. Free speech should not allow you to willfully lie, especially on broadcast media. Publish a lie like "abortion causes breast cancer" and you should be fined. Repeated violations should lead to arrest.
Personally, I am pro life. However, as a Doctor, I am completely against the practices of these centres...even if a patient decided on keeping the child it is based on mis-information. Thus, this goes against patient autonomy and is completely unethical!
Personal story about a CPC.... I'm extremely uncomfortable sharing this story but here goes: my wife and I found out we were having a baby last year. We'd been married for about two years and both of us nearly shit our pants. We went to a local women's clinic, and our experience was not the most pleasant one. The lady we spoke to creepily reminded me of this Barbara Beavers lady. She was very self-righteous and she spoke to us like we were children, stressing how much responsibility it takes to raise a child (no shit that's why we were there in the first place). She was however very interested in our spiritual lives and was very interested in our church habits; I guess since I'm black she couldn't forget to throw some pamphlets at me about the importance of a being strong father figure in a child's life (sidenote my dad died when I was seven and my mom raised me and my brother), but so far no real advice on how to prepare for the baby. So we asked about what are options were if we decided to not keep it. She said and I quote "Well your only option is adoption and...wait...you're not considering...THAT option are you?" And for a split second, we were considering abortion. So with a very disappointed look in her eyes, she took us to get an ultrasound, and told us "See mommy and daddy look who's waving to you." Once we left, I was genuinely mad because she did nothing but guilt us and gave zero information about any possible help or even a phone number to call.
Now some time later, we drove to a Planned Parenthood clinic. We received another ultrasound, and the doctor there was pretty straightforward about exactly what would happen and that we would have to make choice soon. That was the day we made the hardest decision we had ever made... with tears in my eyes I looked at my wife and said "We've got the whole day off, let's take our kid to the Natural Science Museum." To this day, I have no idea what happened, but something in the back of my mind ignited, and I had a genuine urge to become a dad. On January 12, 2018 at 4:30 p.m., my beautiful daughter was born. We've adjusted to parent life, and we're making it.
Now here's the thing. Morally I don't agree with abortion. When I considered it, it was a choice I made out of fear and I was fully prepared to burn in hell for it. And to be fair, my wife and I felt just as uncomfortable at the Planned Parenthood clinic, and I will never go back to one again. But that CPC heavily preyed on my uncertainty and actually drove me closer to wanting to choose abortion. I can only imagine how a rape victim or a single mother would feel going to a place like that and essentially being guilt-tripped into having a child. Most will read this story and think I'm full of shit, but you can't force someone to make a life-changing decision like having a child if they're not ready. Oh one more thing, that CPC lady took our contact information and said she would follow up with us to see how our baby was doing since "she knew we would make the right decision." A year later and living through Hurricane Harvey, haven't heard form her since.
Couldn't pregnant people who already don't want an abortion intentionally spam these places for free services/products? Spamming them would clog up the service from it's intended use, and also sew uncertainty amoungst sponsors who would know that their money was getting wasted.
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They get the breast cancer statistic from the fact that breastfeed will lower your rate of breast cancer, an abortion won't RAISE your chance though, you just don't get the benefit of breastfeeding.
If these clinics had the well-being and rights of the potential baby in mind, wouldn't they push for adoption? Why are they trying to talk women into raising children that they already consider a burden?
And that bit about contraceptives.
I cannot understand these people.
Normally I agree with your point of view. But Internet, Facebook, YouTube, Twitter, etc, are tools. If anything gets abusive or false, it is due to its users. If you shit, then don’t complain when it smells. And I wouldn’t take the alternative, which would be taking away freedom of speech nor a big brother surveillance on everything we share on the Internet. AI is still not there, to catch every hate comment nor false information, and as big as FB (or YouTube or Twitter) is, there is no way to check every single post. Also, it is each person’s responsibility to analyze the info they get.
John Oliver is ignorant, either that or he is intentionally leaving out information. Either way, the making of this video is negligent, immature, one-sided, leftist propaganda. Here is the ACTUAL truth about both planned parenthood, and crisis pregnancy centers https://youtu.be/_MmSiVU3PQM
+nick94berg Science denier https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwviDPo4Rh4.
Just look up that video on YouTube and add "debunked" to the search terms.
That's all Crowder does, well that's not true he also misinterprets his credible sources, caters to climate change deniers feefee's and often just out right lies. But no, it's the left that lies, just like it's the right that loves war and destruction? Right?
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