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Filmed at the Emmanuel Centre on 12th november 2014.
Drug pushers. We tend to associate them with the bleak underworld of criminality. But some would argue that there’s another class of drug pushers, just as unscrupulous, who work in the highly respectable fields of psychiatry and the pharmaceutical industry. And they deserve the same moral scrutiny that we apply to the drug pedlar on the street corner. Within the medical profession labels are increasingly being attached to everyday conditions previously thought to be beyond the remit of medical help. So sadness is rebranded as depression, shyness as social phobia, childhood naughtiness as hyperactivity or ADHD. And Big Pharma is only too happy to come up with profitable new drugs to treat these ‘disorders’, drugs which the psychiatrists and GPs then willingly prescribe, richly rewarded by the pharma companies for doing so. In the last decade the use of antidepressants in the UK has doubled and in 2012 50 million prescriptions had been written for them. It’s a similar story for hyperactivity: the use of Ritalin has tripled with 800,000 prescriptions written by 2012. Even worse, argue the critics, the scientific and ethical flaws in the research behind some of these drugs have purposefully not been published. Meanwhile the real underlying causes of behavioural problems and human misery are often left untreated.
That’s the view of those who object to the widespread use of the ‘chemical cosh’ to treat people with mental difficulties. But many psychiatrists, while acknowledging that overprescribing is a problem, would argue that the blame lies not with themselves. For example, parents and teachers often ramp up the pressure to have a medical label attached to a child’s problematic behaviour because that way there’s less stigma attached and allowances are made. And psychiatrists and the pharma companies also take issue with those who argue that the ‘chemical imbalance’ theory of mental disorder is a myth. ADHD is a real condition, they say, for which drugs work. Research shows that antidepressants really are more effective than just a placebo, especially in cases of severe depression. Scientists are now working on a completely new kind of antidepressant for people who have endured incurable depression and anxiety for decades – with promising results so far. Human suffering will never be eradicated but evidence shows that pharmaceutical drugs have improved the lives of millions around the world.
Yes indeed. The mental health system in Britain is totally oppressive to those who are caught up in it. A system designed to keep wealthy doctors in jobs. A system designed to make money for the phama companies. Drugs offered on the nhs are a form of social control. We're up against a system that applys the same model to each of it's victims. A system whereby if we resist the treatment offered on the nhs it's regarded as a symptom. A system that will ultimately remove every ounce of personality you once had.
If i were to organise a peaceful non-violent protest against psychiatry would anyone turn up? Brave souls who disagree with psychiatry.
23:00 - 23:30 Classic fear mongering. Mr. Degenerate Psychopath even admits the drug companies are making "EXCESS" profits. He then asks, "Who's gonna gonna be able to develop drugs for dementia and ebola?" My question is do "psychiatric drugs" cause dementia and are Pharmaceutical Companies involved in the development and refinement of so called Ebola? Create a problem, then offer a solution that gives them "EXCESSIVE" money, power and control. War tactics.
Big Pharma will always be making drugs for mental illness because there are enough people who actually think they are a gift from heaven. So as long as you have people who feel they have to be dependent on a drug to feel good, then these drugs will continue to be prescribed. You can't blame this all on doctors or big Pharma.
So sad. I know of a guy who is a shell of himself. He suffered from PTSD at 12 years of age, went untreated, and as an adult was put on Lithium. He never sought psychotherapy. From a high school homecoming king, Ivy League graduate, lawyer, to a man who has been brain damaged, can't hold down a job, can't feel sadness or happiness, and suffers from the side effect neuropathy and Graves' disease. Lithium made him bipolar so now he can never get off it. It has damaged his brain and health. Talking to him takes a lot of effort because he doesn't relate to humans anymore.
Want to know what cures ALMOST ALL mental pain or "illness" Love, Generosity, Humility, Kindness, Goodwill, Mercy. boom 95% of human suffering and both mental and physical "illness" is gone. Just make room for others, don't judge, stop being vain, assholes and you stop the psychiatry horror movie our world has hashed up as a new unnecessary form of hell.
GPS are like witch doctors. They feel you should go for treatment, or you tell them you are happy or sad. No MRI. No blood scan. Over dosing patients on ssri's leading to brain damage via seretonin syndrome. The SSRI drug nulls all a person's emotions, so how is that not a depressed state. SsRI drugs treat anxiety only, depression is linked to lack of emotion in terms of confidence, good mood, Get up and go, An SSRI will cause a person to sit there and do nothing, placid, and yes unable to have an orgasm as one man joked. That is with daily use. These pharma guys invent disorders and perscibe Sertaline, any expression of emotion or alternative view is a condition. Being human is a disorder according to this. I have no respect for GPS or psychiatric workers practicing cognitive behaviour thearpy because its akin to a witch doctor. It's none sense. They are drug dealers.
Psychiatry is a criminal organization. They take normal people and turn them into mental patients for life so they can poison them for profit until they die. And the incredible thing it's all legal. That's the insane part.
My suggestion for the people of England, Scotland, Wales, and Ireland is to resolve this issue, don't use the asinine dsm for diagnosis, don't allow your government to purchase American drugs, or make copies of the same despicable serotonin focused and antipsychotic poisons that American big pharma demands they do. Also, demand your parliaments stop the American model of direct to patient advertising, because that absolutely LIMITS the general practitioner in diagnosis of the real issues. Anxiety is different than depression, and though the two conditions can be felt at the same time, anxiety disorders cannot be treated with antidepressants! Different receptors, different chemicals, and it was big pharma seeing the efficacy of benzodiazepines on anxiolisis that made them start pushing their dangerous serotonin focused and antipsychotic poisons!
Pretty Much!! And the evil powers that be can have more "POWER" over a drugged populace, which is the real goal of the rise of mental health issues and the prescribing of these powerful and dangerous psychotropic drugs!
First speaker is utterly wrong. Big pharma and the psychiatric establishment created the hypothesis of chemical imbalances to save the failed art of psychiatry, and to legitimize them as doctors, which they aren't, and all serotonin focused and antipsychotic drugs are poisons which no human being should take.
Hey guys, I hope you all do fine.
I dont want to go into details about whether depression is a disorder, a syndrome, a disease or such kind.
I am a medical student in my last year but not a phychiatrist so fairly it wouldn't be suitable to negotiate about that.
It gets more interesting talking about the cause, the etio-pathogenesis, epidemiology, signs and symptoms, diagnosis, complications (both of disease and treatment), treatment, prognosis etc.
But the real fundamental problem about that talk or discussion we have just seen is the following:
As I went through high school and college, one could see (without just painting black and white) that people divide in different kind of personalities.
The ones that try to help, the ones that take every single benefit they can get, the ones that are forced to be the best in class, the ones that don't care at all, the ones that try to hit the system as much as they can, the ones that try hard but don't succeed, the ones ..........
As I graduated from high school and went to university I discovered that some of those personalities got lost on that journey.
Mostly it was the people that tried hard but didn't succeed, it was the ones that didn't care about anything and the ones who were too good hearted to see and accept some parts of our reality. It was mainly the people that discovered that connections and relationships to friends and family is more important than money, a certificate, and being the best amongst those who are the best anyways. =)
But who still traveled along the path of becoming a doctor?
People who s main challenge was the competition with others, people who outplayed you for grades or certain/rare spots, people who didn't care about relations to friends, people with tremendous family problems starting from their childhood, people who were raised by money, people who's fathers and mothers worked as doctors or pharmaindustry......
And NOW comes the actual conclusion:
As I see those doctors and experts talking about the risk and benefits, health, treatment, pharmaindustry, money, about definitions... I see myself walking through my path again realizing that there are people trying to help other people ( which should be the actual goal) and people who try the reach their goals doesn't matter what it is or what it takes.
You don't necessarily recognize them by the outfit or the words (in other words: the appearance).
You recognize them by their actions and outcomes. And that requires time and patience.
I hope you guys out there have that time, energy, patience and instinct (gut feeling) to follow what is right.
GOD SEES EVERYTHING AND HE DOESNT FORGET !!!!!
Psychiatrists are criminals. They know very well they can't prove any of their fictitious diseases and they know their drugs cause the exact same symptoms they claim to treat. The motive is profit and power.
I have been dealing with mental health who are determined I need medication rather than listening to me or allowing me to take other avenues to recovery. Forceful attitudes and underhanded tactics. I personally find it extremely offensive
IDONTKNOW examples are: am I willing to be observed to which I said yes. Last minute though I went willingly they put a TA on me which meant I didn't have the abity to make decisions on my own behalf regarding treatment. This meant they could force me to take medication and refuse me the ability to leave the facility. This was not explained clearly before going. Constantly being told I was sick and when I said I'm not... I'm in denial ( roll my eyes ) it was my word against doctors who spent no longer than ten minutes a piece with me. Noone was listening to me.. Just wanting their own answers questioned but giving no room to answer them properly before being fired with more questions. Nearly everything I said was twisted and misinterpreted. They would pick key words.. But not look at the whole picture. Rather jump too quickly to conclusions then look for evidence to back up their conclusion. Truth is they couldnt even diagnose me or agree on what was going on. Anyway I battled on alone and with the support of my mum and brother. Refusing to accept what was said. I don't give a fuck who you are or think you are.. If I know I am right I will fight like fuck... This fight was all about me n my freedom.
IDONTKNOW I beat them. They finally admitted I have no mental illness. However they tried to diagnose me with schizophrenia or bipolar. I have neither but have had a rough few years. However the way that people are labelled as being sick and not simply struggling through hard times is very sad to me. I refused medication and stuck to my guns. I regained my strength and memory for the most part. They finally acknowledged that yes I had my head messed with. Its why some comments I have made in here may not make sense to others. But I used music and film clips to regain memory ... Then my sense of self. It took a long time.. But had I taken their drugs they wound have said it proved I was mentally Ill. By refusing them I proved I'm not. However it was one of the hardest things I've been through including losing a husband to cancer. So no I don't wish the experience on anyone.
When the symptoms are treated as if it is the disease the risk of years of suffering and possibly death increase dramatically. An artist friend was diagnosis with a mental illness and when she died of untreated undiagnosed thyroid cancer the local medical community had a heck of a time explaining it away. Here odd behavior was written off to first being an artist and second the mental disorder they so gladly treated.
Adding to my last comment, we simply have cummincation issues in this world as well as prejudice( which is not always a completely negative way to be; yes we should respect one another and show at least that amount of love.) Prejudice aside, the way people communicate with one another is degrading, derrogattory, cruel, hateful, (could be at home in your house or in the world, could be things we seen but when we need to talk about the things we a lot of times find the wrong people or the people are also having issues with communicating), when the mind is programmed this way we will with out a doubt have negative actions that correlate the communicative behavior. Simply put we mold minds that have more potential to more evil the next.
Simply put..... psychiatric drugs= chemical dependency. A psychiatrist may diagnose and prescribe pills(i.e drug, chemical, etc) after finding out you have used or someone used during time spent in womb, or even if the eggs and seeds were subjeted to harmful drugs.....filter your eggs or seeds. This is not a solution; to create chemical dependency. This is through my eyes and personal experience. Feel free to comment.
11:10 'Thank god' (aka my critical mind) that I've found my own definition of "fait", namely : Faith = Ignorant Stupidity
Back to say ( after watching) that if the count is still going on (2018 vs 2015, the time this video was posted), my vote goes to truth, that being: PRO.
"Psychiatrists are quintessentially, they are by definition Doctors". What a bizarre proclamation. The Body language of Simon Wesley is extremely easy to read and, if nothing else, is quite unambiguously revealing of his general personality. He claims to be aware of the effects of society on mental illness, is he aware of the effects of society on him? Highly unlikely. If as he claims that psychiatry is about the mind, then there should be some evidence that cogent definitions and descriptions of mind exist, yet there are none. So whatever psychiatry claims to be treating, it certainly isn't the mind, and the brain is something completely different.
Wesley states that the UK is a good and ethical place when it comes to medicine, and obviously he means specifically psychiatry. If that were the case then General Practitioners would have no issue with taking as the standard the Hippocratic Oath and within the profession, there is no such requirement. if there was such a commitment to the patient over career then patients basic human rights would in no way be subject to violation. I am referring of course of the right to take legal action against psychiatrists and by extension, both big and little pharma. That is to say, have the opportunity to take action in good time, which is simply not the case. The statute of limitations on such actins is three years.
Although not spectacular, Maureen Smith asks a very useful question about the genesis of the symptoms of depression and anxiety which I cover in brief below, where she asks what disease are the symptoms of? It should be asked, before diagnosing the condition, has the profession, in this context, made a clear distinction between a symptom and a response. the difference is that the origin of a symptom is internal and a response, external.
Also in the Q&A Serene offers a familiar case which, not only have I witness with others but I have first-hand experience and as the saying goes "once is chance, twice is a coincidence and three is a pattern". Almost infinitely less articulate than I am now, I went through an existential crisis for which I only sought answers to what it meant to be an authentic human. That question was important to me because I naturally assumed they would have some answers. they diagnosed me, also with schizophrenia and said they would not discuss anything with me unless I took the medication they prescribed. I refer back to my comment on the statute of limitations.
Declan's response to Serene is precisely what one would expect from a narcissistic sociopath, which is again the norm for the entire "mental health" industry. A range of treatments as he says simply translates as a range of potential income streams and a greater field of deferred liability. Again, add that to the logic of the statute of limitations, and potential for legal challange and reperations becomes significantly reduced.
When diagnoses are meaningfully challenged the easiest and most effective response is to say "it's far more complex than that". That response works for absolutely everything, with no thought required whatsoever. Also as a side note, debaters who seek to win over an audience with appeals to their fained humility and friendly lightheartedness are to be viewed with the greatest suspicion of all and are deserving of significantly extra scrutiny.
Additionally, not only is there a complete absence of what constitutes an authentic human against which to determine psychological deviations. If they do not know what constitutes natural, how could so-called doctors possibly know what is unnatural?
I also take exception to the fact that depression is regarded as a mental aberration while no consideration is given to the possibility that it may be an appropriate response to how one interprets the morality, for example, of the social norm to which you refer. That being the case, it is no more appropriate to medicate depression than it is to medicate thirst. So we live in a society which chastises and ostracises individuals with standards, with the obvious consequence of normalizing narcissistic-sociopathy. Which is of course, precisely what has happened. there are obviously other factors, like the demands of competition within industry and the effect that has on such sociopathic narcissistic personalities who collectively and passively conspire to ostracise the aforementioned with standards.
I will also add, that how ever uncomfortable, depression from an anthropological perspective, has proven to be socially advantageous as an emotional survival mechanism for the human species, being instrumental for its necessary population incursions into distant lands in order to expand the human footprint and gene pool. Often at times when there were no immediate climate threats associated with other expansion periods. So the probability of the human species being here today without the aid of depression is extremely low.
Psychiatrist, social workers they will put EVERYTHING in a person's chart to cover their ass...That's all a psyche chart is C.Y.A but unless they have a second home in another country that doesn't profit from drugging and labeling the shit out of their citizens they are on same sinking ship.He's right we are all in this together-TRAPPED imagine a future that unless you have a huge amount of money your healthcare will only consist of "Are you bipolar ?"
As a healthcare professional I strongly disagree with throwing a pill at mental illness. We live in a very difficult society. Full of toxins, child sexual abuse and rapid changes in technology. Housing is unaffordable for many families. Many families split up, illegal drug use, lack of strick moral rules and on and on. There is a great deal of anxiety and depression and with good reason. However, the drugs that you think are ok to treat these symptoms are the problem. They have horrible, horrible side effects and this is a topic you have not covered. It would be better to be dead than suffer the long term side effects of almost any of these drugs. And in addition, many of the anticonvulsants you are prescribing and treating depression with have actually increased the rate of suicide for these depressed patients. No you don't have the time to actually deal with the problems so you medicate them with poison. You will never convince me that this is a solution.
I use zypadhera, and I have no side effects.
Eventually people should be as strong as possible physically, smart as possible mentally and as good as possible morally. There's no talk here about phych meds as 'human enhancement ' which is the future, making people stronger, smarter and better.
Spiritual stuff, good friends and education keep me going mostly. I used to be suicidal, now I'm doing great.
Faith in myself is restored by being charitable. Even if it is just feeding pigeons to start with, moving up to beggars, tips at the bar and moving up the ladder that way.
Psychiatry, and psychology in general, is about as scientific as astrology. . It is just a bunch of pseudoscientific bullshit. Taking these drugs prescribed by psychiatrists will do absolutely to alleviate your so called mental "illnesses". Only more pain and misery will result from the psychiarist's phoney diagnoses and drugs.
Why would anyone have faith in science? Science is based on natural observation, not faith. Therefore, there is nothing to believe about it. No one is bound to believe anything a scientist says; one is simply bound to observe it, provided that what scientists are saying that science says is observable in nature and not just in a laboratory. If one has to believe in something that is said to be scientific, like psychiatry, for example, then it is a religion. There is no biological evidence of any of the "mental disorders" or "illnesses" that psychiatrists claim people have. And they have admitted to this. People are not mentally ill.
I'm very surprised at Will Self! This philosopher has done real drugs and he knows the bliss. The scientists were trying to create a slow'drip MDMA effect with prozac. That is all. It didn't work because of the tired old 'hard problem of consciousness'. The GP who told Self his man to man belief is an educated doctor sitting in front of artuculate and erudite Will Self. So the doctor felt confortable let his hair down for a change. Here Self is running on-stage crying that the doctor said a mean thing. I feel sorry for the doctor.
, I have PTSD RAD a disorder of sexual development and other disorders that stem from those essentially symptoms like depression also struggling with suicidal thoughts but it's my bird that makes me feel all better my emotional support animal not some crazy pill that nearly killed me twice two different kind
So you say I have a chemical imbalance in my brain then. So which chemicals in balance. And do we need to make them go up or down and exactly which medication are you going to give to help them go up or down. You don't know the answer to either question. Then ever so kindly go f*** yourself
Discuss what happens to the genetic composition of a fertilised egg in the womb of a female recently off of birth-prevention pills.
(No, they are NOT birth "control" pills. They are externally and artificially introduced birth PREVENTION pills)
Here's my question:
How come no one gets cured??
These "chemical imbalances", my good doctors, are never....balanced, why is that??
And DO NOT begin your answer with "It's complicated" or "It's complex".
First all, to determine an "imbalance", wouldn't one have to know what defines "balance"??
He just had to poke his stick into the whole "pre-Enlightenment" whippy-do again, right??
How very brave of you, doctor. It's only been done about a TRILLION times.
60,000 years of recorded human history, but everyone was just PATHETICALLY STUPID until Rousseau and Locke came on the scene.
NEXT GUY, PLEASE.
"The advances in medical science since 1950...." are most certainly NOT miracles, my good doctor, rather, advancement in medical science is YOUR J - O - B, dude. YOUR JOB.
And for anyone with an M and D after his name to explain his field's advancements as "miracles"??
Well, forgive me, my good doctor, if I perceive your entire talk with a bit less enthusiam than you're used to.
Very simple..plain and simple with regard to Social Anxiety Disorder, or SAD. Yes. How deliciously quaint!
It goes something like this:
Appearing ANYWHERE in public used to require a bit of sprucing oneself up. Cleaning up. Making oneself PRESENTABLE.
It USED to be called dignity and class.
NOW, it's been disorderised.
Dignity and class used to exist across socio-economic strati, until it was determined that such behaviour was just too "aristocratic", dare I say..... bourgeois!!
Well, don't worry, chaps!! We'll show those damn aristocrats how they've damaged our psyches, right??
We'll manufacture a "brain disorder" out of thin fucking air, thereby VICTIMISING entire swathes of...well...wait a tick.
Who are we trying to make victims??
What a couple of vain, "gatekeeping" psychiatric "Pharisees" those two are on the right. Wankers.
Go Will! The religious analogy ("Faith in drugs") he uses is absolutely correct; psychiatrists think they are like priests that hold special knowledge.
The "Pharmra" industry is corrupt and out of control.
Will Self makes those fucking psychiatrist cunts (to quote David Mitchell "cunt" as in "not a nice person", as in nothing to do with female genitalia) look like the cunts that they are! Just say it!
R. D Laing had a handle on it, but those other dinosaurs are finished.
Will Self is very brave to take on such entrenched doctrine.
Proving the point, the drug promoter stoops to threatening the public with the ebola scare, "who will develop the treatment, but the pharmaceutical companies "? Then ended with an equally disgraceful ad hominem attack on his opponent, insinuating his need for psychiatric drug intervention, perfect.
Amazing, the power that Will Self has, with his presence and smooth articulation, to squeeze every last drop of persuasive juice out of that tired, dry sponge, anecdotal evidence. PS This host is a geeky cunt who needed to chill the fuck out and stay the fuck out.
Any of the drug kingpins in South America distributing heroine and cocaine in the US and elsewhere are choirboy pranksters compared to Big Pharma. Most drugs are inexpensive to produce, but sold at enormous profits. And many drugs make people ill, illness that must be treated with other drugs. Doctors prescribe drugs for nothing, just tell a doctor you have difficulty sleeping, and you are given sedatives or drugs to treat depressions.
Only the middle class and up have money to buy drugs, and the pharma industry instruct their salespeople to sell them as much drugs as possible. If parents tell a doctor their kid is a bit overactive in school, he will precribe sedatives or antidepressants. Psychiatrists and doctors are Big Pharmas salesmen, and earn more money the more prescription drugs they sell to their patients.
Doctors who cannot be a part of Big Pharmas evilness quit being salesmen and saleswomen for Big Pharma, and start practices treating patients with alternative medicine, are harassed, threatened, sometimes beaten and worse by Big Pharma hitmen. The industri is among the worst criminals, but protected by bought congressmen.
I stopped my medicine a few month ago
I felt something is wrong in my brain
If i didnt move my brain was hot and in pain
Now i feel abit beter i walk every morning a hour or a half hour
Same after dinner i walk
I have a rare disease that i heal slow becuz of my dna
Its called progeria werners syndrome
Never ever will i use medicine
Never will i go to my doctor that have said that i will die soon
Will Self - you are talking to the devil on Earth and saying you find what he is saying is "astonishing" to you. How about you take a closer look at this matrix we are in - yes it really is there, this is no fcuking joke.
In order to
protect their multi-billiondollar disease markets with cardiovascular disease, cancer, AIDS
and other diseases,
the pharmaceutical industry does everything to maintain these diseases and to avoid
There is a very major point here that is not being brought up...They don't factor in the current TOXIC chemicals having global effects on the Biosphere and all life on Earth! Nature is being Raped and Poisoned...even Pharma Drugs are being found in community water supplies! With all the toxins in our bodies...do we really need more drugs?
Big Pharma is a business. They create a product and promote it as hard as possible to make as much profit as possible. It becomes insidious when they lie, falsify reports, create mental conditions out of thin air to sell more drugs, fund medical universities to create a bias in favour of drugs over any other kind of treatment, work to make natural remedies illegal, etc. Now, not all drugs coming out of the pharmaceutical industry are bad, of course, but when it comes to mind altering drugs Big Pharma definitely has a shady reputation.
This second guy from Phizer it's speak clear for me. We need new medication's and even everybody just say: "there are here for make bilons of dollars' for me it's ok..
I just want to alive. And for know they help more than each theraphy. Amen.
I *always* wonder when they do this "Crowd votes at the start & end" schtick whether they're supposed to be voting on the quality of the arguments expressed by various speakers, or if their thoughts on these subjects *really are* this ductile and susceptible to momentary sophistries as presented.
- I just cannot fathom it.....
Miraculous advances? This dude is delusional. Doctors kill more people than any other cause of death.
Your body isn't deficient in synthetic chemicals numb nuts. Toxicity and malnutrition causes every sickness and all they do is slap a fancy Latin word on what you just told them was wrong with you. Colossal scam that cost billions every year.
psychiatrists are NOT real "doctors." that said, a doctor is little more than an anatomist who is an unquestioning shill, in modern times. when was the last time a doctor told someone healthy advice? 1942? psychiatrists are scumbags who are usually stuttering, bald, dead end genetic pseudo intellectuals who have no problem selling out their common fellow duped man for profit.
Why do companies like Pfizer spend £millions on lobbying and providing free holidays to GPs? You'll never hear drug companies advocating improved diet because they can't make money out of broccoli, beetroot and chard.
The reason people don't come forward with mental problems ,might just be the the way government can pass laws that force people to take drugs against their will, or how after being tagged mental, an all intrusive government/council could abuse your symptoms by forcing medicine and residential care that then has to be paid for by you, post NHS you'll pay, bet your ass you'll pay, for fucked-up greedy doctors to lounge around in the belief that their such clever chaps...Also, we now know how bad statins are...Fucking pushers!
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