Illegal immigration is controversial. But as you know, this isn't surprising. Since the very beginning, immigration has been a contested issue in the U.S. That fact is however, that we are a nation of immigrants. And immigrants today, whether legal or illegal, whether you like them or not, provide our country with much more than just those jobs that some of you think they took away.
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The stories of several DACA recipients: https://www.nilc.org/issues/daca/daca-fifth-anniversary-stories/
12 million undocumented immigrants, 1 million DACA recipients: http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/04/27/5-facts-about-illegal-immigration-in-the-u-s/
4 million children born by undocumented immigrants: http://www.pewhispanic.org/2010/08/11/unauthorized-immigrants-and-their-us-born-children/
Denunciation of Muslim immigrants: https://immigration.procon.org/view.timeline.php?timelineID=000023
Why immigrants come to the U.S.:
Americans say immigrants destroy American jobs: http://library.cqpress.com/cqresearcher/document.php?id=cqresrre2012030900
Undocumented immigrants pay more taxes than the cost of services they use:
Why undocumented immigrants pay taxes: http://money.cnn.com/2017/04/19/news/economy/undocumented-immigrant-taxes/index.html
U.S. economy would slow without undocumented immigrants: http://giovanniperi.ucdavis.edu/uploads/5/6/8/2/56826033/ageoftrump_june2017.pdf#page=70
Less undocumented immigrants commit crimes than Americans do: http://www.nber.org/papers/w13229.pdf
Sanctuary cities are not more dangerous than non-sanctuary cities: http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/1078087417704974
Here’s a joke : illegal immigrant walks in to social security office And says hi I would like a SS card so I can pay taxes clerk replays sure let me see you driver license and birth certificate. II replays ow I’m here illegally but I want to make sure I pay taxes !! - shit never happens ! Illegal immigrants use fake ss number and or once from stolen identity smh
This video is stupid. Your making the point that, "some U.S citizens commit crimes, so why not unnecessarily let and keep in more possible criminals, who don't have the right to be here in the first place." Stupid point.
Most immigrants that come here illegally can't come here legally. They don't have the skills or income that would allow them to get even a work permit. There situations are usually so dire they are willing to break the law in order to create a better life for themselves and their families.
The hole situation is the fault of the Us. It is suppressing Latin America already for one century. But this means not that you should allow illegal migrants to stay. The Us should better stop suppressing Latin America and help the to get rid of their corruption, even if it means, that another American country could seize economical power. We, on the the other side if the Atlantic, have the same problem too and it is also caused by the late consequences of imperialism.
Combine a historic fear of Immigrants within North America (Yes, in Canada to) with a rather frightening uptick in political polarization (and by extent, popularization of far right and far left movements) gives you a nice steaming batch of people who are not willing to listen to the other side of the argument, and immediately denounce the other's sources as "liberal bullshit" or "Alt-right propaganda".
There is a huge history of fear of immigrants in the U.S. Immigration has never been supported by the majority of Americans. It surprises me that there aren't more down votes. Especially with what's happening in Europe with all the Syrian refugees.
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You left out the fact that the FBI tracks 'Hispanic' crimes as 'White' crimes, so OFC it APPEARS they have a lower crime rate.
Also omitted is the fact that illegals that do work take jobs from low skilled/new to the work force/poorly educated LEGAL Americans.
Those are all Self-Inflicted wounds no country should tolerate.
Fact that illegal women & children get welfare while the men work under the table. That they cost us less than pay in taxes from illegally held jobs is absolute bs.
You also neglect the WHOLE chain migration issue & that cost on tax payers.
You've cherry picked your 'facts' to make a propaganda video.
"12 million undocumented immigrants":
Kind of makes you stop and wonder if ' National Security & Immigration Control ' are a set of complete and total multi-billion dollar fairy tales told/sold to tax paying citizens as if they were ignorant pre-kindergarten toddlers.
Because they come from.shitty nation's we should just not give a flying shit about immigration laws are on the books and just accept anyone. I mean there are people who already have some great reubuttle comments but the amount of stupid shit in this video is just a joke
Pretty disappointed in your one sided view. The sanctuary city thing really gets me. No effect, tell that to Kate Steinle or at least her grieving family. Thought monkey, you can do better than this. Take this criticism as intended, I like your work but you need to check your own biases.
Thank you for your honest feedback. I try my hardest to check my biases.
In this case I believe the evidence points in the direction that illegal immigration is not the issue and instead a symptom of a bigger problem (our broken immigration system AND countries not providing adequate opportunities/safety for their citizens making them leave and come here).
Most people want to come here for a better life. Unfortunately we also get bad apples.
The point that I try to make in the video however is that violence among illegal immigrants isn't as high as many think it is (according to the research I looked at). That doesn't mean it doesn't exist, however. And Steinle proves that.
The main question to ask is what's the solution that will cause the most amount of progress with the least amount of harm?
Another one sided lying pos propaganda vid, omitting the whole other side of drugs, disease, human trafficking, violent crime and rape, gangs like MS13 are overrunning cities, and the fact ILLEGALS are 7 percent more likely to commit crime. And that LEGAL immigrants are welcome. And his fake sources are just that, fake.
Actual stats from government sources, Illegal immigration costs American taxpayers a mind-boggling $134.9 billion annually. Overall, state and local expenditures for services provided to illegal aliens total $88.9 billion and federal expenditures $45.8 billion, the analysis found. For those who claim illegal immigrants contribute by paying taxes, government figures show that only $19 billion was recouped by Uncle Sam.
Care to link to your sources? Everything you mentioned has been debunked here:
The numbers you cite were fabricated by an anti-immigration activist named Frosty Wooldridge.
I'm in no way saying you're dishonest, but the evidence you linked weren't studies. A study would have the method they used to find out what they did and the results they retreaved from it in diagram form. It would say who did the study and who funded it. That's all information I need to know before I can decide whether the information I'm hearing is trustworthy or not.
Oh look more leftist clap trap about how illegal immigration is good. Hey it's all good though, throw the borders open let everyone in. It'll turn into the socialist utopia where we're all equal....ly miserable. "They want to perform their civic duty" GTFOH. This whole video is a lie, it's trash, your trash, kill yourself. You'll actually being doing something good for this nation, better yet, find all your liberal friends and murder them, then kill yourself. Then you have really done some good for society.
Tyler Durden Yeah, They Do itbillegally because it takes fucking forever! Maybe if it was a bit faster there wouldn't be so many illegals. Everything has a reason, and Illegals reason for illegally entering is because our current system is too slow. Thats why there are so many illegals you imbecile. If you're gonna claim some false moral highground on Your Horse so fucking high its A Commercial Airline, fine. I'm not going to reason with people who have such fears over boogeymen that breed nothing but contempt and ignorance.
Tyler Durden Wow. You're really delusional. You literally Went full emotional with your arguement outside of "They came here illegally". You are the hypocrite here, do not act as if you're something more than that.
Rickyretardo you see this is why I don't give any evidence to you bunch of sheep. You never listen or care or give your own facts and figures or logical argument. Your literally brain dead zombies. So stupid that you can't question anything about an internet video because it fits your shitty narrative. Doesn't matter that illegal aliens are here ILLEGALLY. Doesn't matter that they actually do take jobs from legal immigrants and citizens. Doesn't matter that they have brought a wave of crime and drugs with them. Nope poor Esmeralda needs to stay cause all 12 million illegals are just like her. Poor down trodden yearning to be free. Give me a break, they are all just as silly and selfish as you. The law has been broken, but because there might be, maybe, could be some taxes from the illegals and poor Esmeralda we should let them all stay. You see you call on me for logic and reasoning yet use none yourself. Not only does this make you wrong, it makes you an asshole. You and your whole movement can go to hell. So see now douche nozzle, we ended where we started. With you still being a brainless zombie and me being your intellectual superior.
Tyler Durden >Gives Evidence
Essentially Says "Thats not True!". Funny how you claim I'm the inly biased one here. Yet you cite nothing. If you want to play that game, Go look for Evidence on how Immigration can be good. And You are doing the same thing he is when it comes to The esmeralda shit. Bringing some sort of Friend to validate YOUR points. If you hate someone doing something to give validity to their arguement, then don't do the same. Thats what hypocrites do. And While he does use a person that doesn't exist, There are many youths who are in the same situation, So it's still valid.
and decided when an adult not to even attempt to become legal, while given in state discounts the LEGAL immigrants are not allowed. We allow more than any other nation to come- IF they want to be here and assimilate, why not come legally?
Lies! If immigrants kept adding tax revenue to society why wouldn't just move the entire earth's population to the US and be the richest country in the world, because the US would turn into a sh*thole like Mexico.
There's a reason we Americans are afraid of mass Islamic Immigration. (Notice: I'm not saying generic immigration, nor illegal immigration mor Muslim immigration.) It's the MASS, uncontrolled, immigration that Europe has experienced which then leads to a increases in rape, car burning, terrorism, anti-semitism... Oh, and call me a racist, xenophobic, hate monger. Actually, I'm far from any of those, but I am fully aware of the political aspects of Islam. See Bill Warner and the mass of related videos: https://youtu.be/t_Qpy0mXg8Y
David Lee That is incorrect. The truth about islam is that its the most conservative Religion of all. The rapist terror shit, thats the wahabi School of Sunni Islam. Look at the Ottomans, they followed Houfism, Which was much more Moderate than protestantism.
The eight years under Obama are what I call the "UNIVISION ERA." Univision is a spanish television network which has encouraged illegal immigration in our country since it was founded, given that fact that illegals constitute their main source of profits. Univision does not encourage assimilation, and it seems they are determined to expand their market by vilifying Republicans who want to enforce immigration laws and also by contributing money to the Democrats. They are in a quest to keep control of the illegal immigrant market.
Illegal is illegal! We have legal immigrants waiting in line to be here! We don't want the non speaking English cheaters coming here! This is our home! The wall is going up! We illegals out! No excuse for them being here!
Definitely a lot of good points here. You don’t explicitly take a stance but I think its safe to say, based on what you said, that illegal immigration is ultimatley okay because of the benefits it yields.
While I understand the benefits you mentioned, I don’t see how letting immigrants come into the country illegally is in any way fair to the people who enter legally. What are we supposed to tell the people who come to the country legally?
SO who should be allowed to come here? You think just anyone who wants should just be able to come here illegally and not face any repercussions? We can't just let anyone who wants to come into a county come. there needs to be some form on legal immigration for it to work right.
You are absolutely correct. But most of the immigrants that come to the U.S. would never be able to come to the U.S. through that process. So instead they risk breaking one law (crossing the border illegally), in the hopes that they will be able to live here long enough, then find an immigration lawyer, and be given permission to here permanently.
People come here illegally aka BREAK THE LAW because they dont fear the consequences. If they did, we wouldnt have this problem or daca. Harsher laws for illegal immigration need to be in effect. As for the dreamers who are already here. Let them stay, our govt messed up and their parents took advantage of that. That doesnt make them guilty of anything but having opportunistic parents.
It is as disingenuous to point to illegal immigrants that get phds to represent illegal immagrants as it is to point to criminals to do the same. Also saying there would be a decline in the economy if we deport illegal immigrants assumes that we would just eliminate those jobs and not replace the workers with currently unemployed American citizens. The truth is that most illegal immigrants are refugees but since America is not recognizing them as that, they are forced to illegally immigrate. Since the process is illegal, criminals will be involved in this underground industry. The answer is for America to stop turning a blind eye towards southern America and its huge cartel drug empires. We just lock up poor Americans and allow immigrants to replace them in the economy because the Food industry benefits massively from it.
When my grandparents came to America, they stood in line like everyone else and went through a long qualification process. Who do these people think they are by jumping the line or sneaking around it altogether??? If they break the law, they should be expelled or put in prison. period. Stop the bleeding heart crap. Also, the little girl earned her master's degree by paying in-state tuition to get that degree at that university. If I wanted to send my daughter to that university, I would have to pay out-of-state tuition to have her attend. Do you think that is a good deal for a citizen vs an illegal??? YOU STAND IN LINE AND QUALIFY TO ENTER LIKE EVERYONE ELSE. If you did that, most Americans would welcome you as I would.
I want them gone because breaking immigration law is a crime in and of itself they should be removed for. Furthermore, it is illegal to hire an illegal alien, and said employer should be punished under the law as well. It is not unreasonable to want the laws in your country enforced after they break them. You or I wouldn't dream of breaking another country's immigration law, so why does their particular sob story get a pass? More than that, it's grossly unfair to the immigrants who did everything right to be here legally.
I'm just happy i managed to get my US student visa. I'll just pay you for education and fuck off. Don't hate me please. i paid everything i should pay for XD
But for real, illegals also harm me as an international student. I'm not talking about kids from DACA. I'm talking about people who get in as adults illegally. If a lot of illegals came from my country, the US embassy would start to reduce the amount of visas it gives for people who want to get in legally. That means a lot of students who want to study in the US for 4 years would be denied. Keep in mind that international students pay almost double or more for a university degree. We also pay a lot of fees. So at the end, you get money from us and we get a degree from a good university like Harvard. Both sides win.
DACA was for illegal immigrants who came here when they were KIDS, and to even be approved for DACA had to meet high standards. Yes, illegal, but yes American grown, same as us. DACA is the main one thing I don't get why people fight against. I'd be glad to hear another opinion.
>compares long gone racism with not wanting illegal immigrants
>Gives a single example of an immigrant girl, which doesn't mean all immigrants are the same. Most of them do nothing productive.
>also compares long gone racism with not wanting muslim immigrants. Even though they a commit a crap tonne more terror attacks per capita than any other religion/nationalit...by a landslide
>also, businesses won't suffer on a big scale if undocumented immigrants left. Sure, 5% less profit, going to surely destroy the economy
No worries, in a few short years the robots will be replacing the immigrant workforce even faster than the immigrant workforce replaced us and everyone will be in the same boat headed towards the falls without a paddle or even a rudder.
Doesn't really matter anyway. It was destroyed when the big companies decided to move their industry to countries like China where there's an abundance of cheap labor. It's more often than not less beneficial for industry to stay in America than to move out. Another problem with a globalist world. Illegal immigrants are just a pinch in the back compared to the dent in the rights for the American worker the moving of the industry meant.
I'm sorry but I cannot agree with you. The law is the law and you cannot try to stick in morals or feelings. I'd one law is not obeyed why will others be obeyed when the law is just a joke? Broken
I see what you're saying about my example being outdated. Yes it is (at least in modernized countries). But I was not bringing it up to argue that people are still enslaved in the U.S by law. I simply bring it up to say that there are some laws that are or were morally unjust. And at the time many people believed that slavery was morally sound. The question is are our current immigration laws morally sound? Were these laws designed to bring justice to our society or not? I don't think it's something we can answer right now. But I do think the people who study our society in the future will have a much cleaner perspective than us on this issue.
The Legit I don't think a wall or deporting those current illegals will work, i want them to be legalised and boarder security toughened after that. Getting rid of current illegals is about as hard as making america gun free so spending the resources is a waste. I think that the current cat and mouse situation should be ended as its going nowhere and boarder security should be toughened.
And I don't care about family reunions, do it legally or don't bother at all, the world is not all roses and lollipops and just because you are a 'oppressed' or of some colour you do not deserve special treatment, I mean equality right??
Thought Monkey we live in a time with a level of freedom never before seen in history. To bring that argument is out of context in our present situation, scraping the bottom of the barrel. And even if such a thing was proposed it will not be approved by Congress. There is a moral factor to be considered but illegals are illegal regardless, not refugees. I would support providing temporary shelter for refugees but once the danger in their homeland is resolved they are to return otherwise all thats going to happen is their homeland is going to degrade increasingly with time.
If the law determined it was ok to enslave a race of people, would you still fight for its existence? Would you say that those who are enslaved legally shouldn't attempt to break the law in order to find freedom?
Truth. Now the other perspective, the origin countries. Since im not that well aware of the means of other countries or places imma give you the perspective of a northen mexican (a Chihuahua México native, born and raised).
The countries from where this inmigrants come from often get fueled by the trafic of these ilegal inmigrants for being steping stones on the way to the U.S. ¿how so? Easy, they hurt they own economy, legal & political aspects by the following:
financiating the crimelords of the area. In the last study of the INEGI (the national institute of geograpy and stadistics for their spanish lyric) conducted on april 2015 it was revealed that one third of the income from "la linea" in Chihuahua (being that is the most prominent cartel of Chihuahua) comes from treats of ilegal inmigrants either by "coyotes y polleros" -people who help people to transit to the U.S.-, slavers, people traficant and organ dealers just as much as narcotraficants. To put it on a more forseable way the cartel from Joaquín el chapo Guzmán "el cartel de Sinaloa" once was so rich and powerfull that ofered the mexican goverment to pay their external debt (debt that at the time was for over 156 000 million dollars on that moment) in order to operate freely on the nation. And nowdays "la linea" is just as powerfull with a third of the mexican territory under their control being Chihuahua their biggest state. Thing that actually romanticises the idea of being a criminal, being the original culture of a hardwork, pridefull unstopable and unapologetic town that Chihuahua once had prior to the 1930's into an state where the death is on the air and being the criminal who reings over the wasteland is the best you can aspire to be if you're poor by extension providing this groups with an evergrowing amounth of footsoldiers either by illegals who didnt crossed the border, left out children whom parents went and never came back, people born into poverty and soldiers who lost their faith on their country. And this is not even taking in account the war on drugs.
I can further explain and deconstruct the issues that this brings like the apaty that it has brougth for politics, the fact that the U.S. releases dangerous individuals on the mexican border with no control or means to return to their countries (often withouth advicing authorities on here) or the fact that since the large amount of inmigrants had overwelmed the authorities we are now controled by 5 powers; judiciary, legislative, executive, military (they act independently, no legislative or judiciary power has authority over their descicions since the war on drugs started. Totally managed by internal voting) & the criminal (entire areas on here like Santa Clara, Cuchillo Parado & others dont even have police, the cartels manage the inforcement of law & order as judge, jury and executioner) and a large etc. Not to mention the "brain escape" were our most prepared people escape to another countries in fear of investing on their lands fail to end up stuck in here and ever so growing feeling of detachment of the population for their own land by a perfect storm of all of the factors prior mentioned.
Interesting to hear that the border is a major source of revenue for cartels and other crime rings. It seems to me that the U.S. needs major immigration reform in order to address problems on BOTH sides of border. A ban on drugs allowed cartels to profit off of the U.S. thirst for them, while a ban on low skilled immigrant workers have allowed the cartels to profit off those wanting to immigrate to the U.S.
Thanks for this El Pavo.
A border wall alongside Mexico would not be feasible. Most unauthorized immigrants arrive from Latin American nations I.e Honduras, Colombia or El Salvador, not Mexico.
Instead I believe that helping to prevent the issues that causes both refugees and migrants to flee would be most beneficial for the United States internal as well as external politics. You are either part of the problem or part of the solution.
Abyssinia Empire You seemed to be implying (at least from how I read it) that the wall would be infeasible because the migrants were not Mexican, instead being from other Latin American countries. Therefore, they don't have to cross the Mexican border.
But I do agree that we should also try helping solve the source of the problem.
Trevor Taylor If you were to have thoroughly read my comment you would have noticed that I never stated that the U.S borders any of the nations that I previously mentioned. Instead I was denoting that migrants crossing the Mexican border aren't Mexicans but are Latinos as well as Hispanics. Deterring migrants from entering the U.S will not prevent them from entering Canada. I do not want to maintain 'illegal immigration' I want to help solve what is seemingly to be a crisis.
If you were to study any up to date North American map, you would notice the only countries the U.S. borders are Canada, and Mexico (and not any other countries that you have stated). So unless they were to try to cross the Gulf of Mexico, or go out into the Pacific, and beach on the west coast, the only way would be able to cross into America would be by crossing the southern U.S. border. There for putting a wall alongside Mexico would not only deter illegal immigrants from Mexico, but by extension, Honduras, El Salvador, Colombia (I know Colombia is not in North America, but I'm pretty sure there is no border between Colombia and America).
JusTAfighter Yes it is illegal BUT think why it is illegal. It is because most of them are poor and beg on the streets.
But what about people like Emeralda or whatever her name was. She is working towards her Phd . She is a responsible citizen. She will add to the economy. People like these should be given a legalised citizenship
Well I think its important to understand that even if our immigration laws are unreasonable, that doesn't mean much because, again, the U.S. is not responsible for people living outside of this country.
Whether I agree or disagree with your perspective in this video, I don’t appreciate that you nonchalantly use the number 33. Not that there’s anything wrong with 33 but we all know that that number has been used for the so-called “elites”, who are actually psychopaths,to communicate with each other… suck a di€k bit€h
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