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BMW M140i v Ford Focus RS v M3 E92 - Which car is best? Pt.1 | Road & Race S03E10

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Which hot hatch is the better out of the Ford Focus RS Mk3 and the BMW M140i? Also how does a cheaper but 10 year old BMW M3 compare? We find out through a series of tests....! Loads of cool Ford RS and ST stuff can be found on Gary's channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJIV8IQ5eL4Py7QBstWr5oA Road-and-Race.co.uk YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/roadandracetv Twitter: @RoadandRaceTV Facebook.com/RoadandRaceTV Instagram: Roadandracetv The tools used in this video can be bought here: http://road-and-race.co.uk/tools
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Road and Race (1 год назад)
I made a few mistakes on this show. A few of you have correctly said that the torque figure for the M3 should be 295 ft-lb not 225. Also, for the 0-60 for the M3 is only 4.4 seconds with the DCT, I have the manual transmission so should be 4.8 seconds. Sorry about this.
Sir Shneb (6 месяцев назад)
Was that a manual m140i?
samsara (7 месяцев назад)
and the book time for the m140i manual, 0-60, is 4.6 not 4.8
15october91 (13 дней назад)
M140i hands down.
Gas Pedal Subscribe (1 месяц назад)
Would you say a car with 210 bhp and 1385 kg auto gearbox is not very slow and enough for daily driving?
Eck (2 месяца назад)
I'm thinking of the M3 and the RS (also an Evo X) as my car buy this year. The thing that's bugging me about the M3 is the costs to maintain and run it. The MPG is really low.
Eck (2 месяца назад)
Road and Race I don't have a clue about car mechanics so maintenance would be likely 100% out of pocket. Ive seen a few RS'es for about 24k with about 11k miles on them. So about the same as I've seen the M3 go for but with more mileage.
Road and Race (2 месяца назад)
The E92 M3 will be roughly £10,000 cheaper to buy but will cost more in fuel and to maintain. Really depends on if you can do the work yourself and how many miles you do.
23redblock (3 месяца назад)
Jesus my 210hp 1994 tvr would give them a run for there money 🙈 cool video tho guys 👌
Jacob Wilson (4 месяца назад)
"1st generation 1 Series is a bit soft and boring". Yeah right. Alright, it does not look as good as the second generation 1 Series, but boy it's not boring to drive. I know this as I own one and I love her.
Jim Loach (4 месяца назад)
Good luck with the head gasket on the ford...
SYNERGISTIC123 (4 месяца назад)
13:06 Three skinny geeks with a personality bypass...
Isaiah Deshazier (4 месяца назад)
i had to go on Google and everywhere because i was shocked about the 225 torque number for the m3 i was like there is no way my gti has more torque than that even if the gti is turboed no way 😀 but did see you corrected it bellow 😊 great content
mr (4 месяца назад)
Hahahahhahaaha You guys should be driv n race Prius
MudgateBronn (5 месяцев назад)
7:45 LOL that turning radius
Tighe Matthew (5 месяцев назад)
the rs will need a new motor after this.😂😂😂
kronos350 (5 месяцев назад)
Hi everyone, please help help, try to choose here between Focus RS and M140, I have now a fabulous Bmw 535 f10 but warranty just expire and don't want any surprise, the car already had 22 grant worth of repair, luckily paid not so kindly by Bmw warranty coverage. Any tips?
Nightfly1957 (5 месяцев назад)
Cool, my m140i is the best,-)
Lyall Fraser (5 месяцев назад)
I enjoyed this video, you are funny mate!!!
help me get 5k subs with no videos (6 месяцев назад)
5:15 i like how they all stand infront of not their car
Sir Shneb (6 месяцев назад)
If that m140i was dsg it would kill that time
Skytalker777 (6 месяцев назад)
The guy in the RS is a poor driver.
James McKay (1 месяц назад)
There is no way your RS is quicker than an M140i. Absolute rubbish.
marcooconnor (2 месяца назад)
You make a fool of yourself by speaking before you think... then tell someone to "come back more polite".... what a numpty
Latvietis96 (4 месяца назад)
Skytalker777 Read some magazine reviews and track tests then. M140i is faster on a straight and on track. Btw the M140i is available with AWD too which greatly improves acceleration speeds.
Skytalker777 (4 месяца назад)
On paper yes but in reality is not...go test them. After you tested them come back more polite. Even in this video the 140i got beaten. 5.1 vs 5.0 the RS.
Latvietis96 (4 месяца назад)
Skytalker777 But M140i is always faster than the RS on track and straight line why are you lying?
Christian Dark (6 месяцев назад)
That's actually quality content guys, loving it
Road and Race (6 месяцев назад)
Thanks Cristin!
Tom Wainwright (6 месяцев назад)
Why on earth would anyone have a Ford Focus over a M140i?
Alejandro Lopez (3 месяца назад)
Sokratis Gramnenos This is not m , is 140i
Sokratis Gramnenos (3 месяца назад)
Alejandro Lopez bmw is M, LOL
Alejandro Lopez (4 месяца назад)
Gggg Ffff because no is a normal focus is a rs, is better than 140i and 10k euros more expensive The information is good
jayrsuk (6 месяцев назад)
I'm still flabbergasted that an owner doesn't even know the stats of his own car.
GARY JAY 91 (8 месяцев назад)
I take the RS all day every day... 💨
Gophers Garage (8 месяцев назад)
https://youtu.be/aul8S6bxqFQ
Lewis72 (8 месяцев назад)
E92 M3 10 years old already ?? Damn.
Tom Choi (8 месяцев назад)
Gha your vids are hard to watch wo getting tired of the horrible music
Del Johnson (8 месяцев назад)
The BM only has two damper settings. It has three driver modes
d9e9v9il (8 месяцев назад)
Quite enjoyed that. Subscribed
Road and Race (8 месяцев назад)
+d9e9v9il Cheers for the sub mate.
Shaun Jansen Van Nieuwenhuizen (8 месяцев назад)
New RS, new 140, old M3. Fail to see the logic behind the test.
Mat4SA (3 месяца назад)
The M3 was there for shits and giggles
jammydodgerman (7 месяцев назад)
You can pick any one of these cars up for roughly the same price ~£25000
seveshan gounden (9 месяцев назад)
The launch control isn't the fastest way to launch the RS btw...
Limpet 7R (9 месяцев назад)
I have an M140i, but I'd take the E92 regardless of the test outcome. That V8 noise.....
Baconterrain (10 месяцев назад)
The guy with the glasses looks like Kenny Everet.
yco67 (10 месяцев назад)
thanks for the test but it was really the best road you can find to test cars?
Paul Blacoe (10 месяцев назад)
Wouldn't believe the trip computer on the BMW (or probably any), would of been best of to do a longer drive with mix of motorway, city/town and A/B roads from petrol station to petrol station and worked it out the proper way! Would be interesting :)
Road and Race (10 месяцев назад)
We wanted to we just ran out of time on the day trying to squeeze all the different tests in. Maybe next time.
zaverdi (11 месяцев назад)
Nice video...
Road and Race (11 месяцев назад)
+zaverdi Thanks mate!
Spiritual Minds (11 месяцев назад)
Your poooooooooo
Road and Race (11 месяцев назад)
+Rebecca Docherty What about my poo?
justwanttocomment12 (11 месяцев назад)
I really enjoyed this. Thanks. I have a 2011 E92 M3.
Road and Race (11 месяцев назад)
Thanks mate. Glad you liked it!
J Park (11 месяцев назад)
the wheels are not CSL. they are M359 ZCP competition wheels
The Ironman (11 месяцев назад)
Not sure why so many thumbs down?
Si Raff (11 месяцев назад)
The focus only got 0.1s 0-60 over the M140i With 4wd? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahha
Adam Styles (11 месяцев назад)
I own an m140i auto and I have driven an m140i manual back to back with mine and the auto is faster and better everywhere and the launch control is crazy reliable 4.3-4.1 0-60 every time
Limpet 7R (9 месяцев назад)
I have an auto as well and agree with your comments. It's skewed even more by BMW being unable to do manual gearboxes properly.The current 6 speed unit is more of the same notchy, agricultural feeling, clutch-delay-valved crap they've been peddling for years. The ZF8 by contrast is one of the finest automatic transmissions to ever be fitted to a production car. I do miss the interaction of a manual, but BMW manuals are terrible.
Gary Besterfield (11 месяцев назад)
Great video I enjoyed it and as a 140i owner it's good to see how it fairs against the RS
Road and Race (11 месяцев назад)
Thanks Gary. I did like the M140i, such a rocket even at low revs!
Gibran Otway (11 месяцев назад)
The guy in green was just extremely chill during the entire trials. But I lost it when you compared the economy test, the obvious stress everyone felt in comparison provided me with endless joy.
MG6065 (11 месяцев назад)
Brilliant video
Road and Race (11 месяцев назад)
Thanks mate, glad you liked it!
Labique Abro (1 год назад)
M3 is simply the best
isaac knight (1 год назад)
i can tell you why it couldn't stop as it's needs heat in race pads and bedding in
David Bates (1 год назад)
great job on the video nice editing too
Road and Race (1 год назад)
+David Bates Thanks for mentioning the editing David. I spent 40 hours editing all that together so it's great to get some positive feedback!
winzfeld1 (1 год назад)
You don't even know the torque of your own car? Lol
Road and Race (1 год назад)
Yeah, my mistake. I'm an idiot!
Andrew Levitt (1 год назад)
Good watching I'd take the m3 the RS and the 1 series are so ugly.
Reflection Car Care Detailing (1 год назад)
Better than the new TopGear.Keep um coming guy's. I really enjoyed it.Shame My Audi TTS DSG Quattro couldn't join in the fun ;)
bio10155 (3 месяца назад)
I really like these three! They work really well together on camera - great personality!
Road and Race (1 год назад)
+Flight SGT Danny Boy Better eh? So kind of you to say! 😝
MaX83_ZA (1 год назад)
More like Road & Talk than race... more racing, less talking before sub
KosmicHaynerRacingTeam (1 год назад)
Stopped watching after he said he need breed in the brakes. The performance diff is HUGE. I wouldn't even drive the car like that, let alone try to establish some performance numbers
Jason Day (1 год назад)
Great video Neil. Good chemistry between you chaps. Matey in the RS is quite good on camera. Audio levels need playing with a tad, but you suggest in your follow up video that's more to do with mic compatibility on the go pro's. Look forward to the next instalment. Bet you're not looking forward to the timely edit!
Road and Race (1 год назад)
Thanks Jason. Yeah, tried to keep it casual! Part 2 is up now if you've missed it. Yeah, editing is a killer!
E C (1 год назад)
Silly tests
Stephen Ball (1 год назад)
I have a photo of my car in exactly that opening spot 👍👍👍
Stephen Ball (1 год назад)
Just down the road, good video, well done 👍
Road and Race (1 год назад)
+Stephen Ball cool 👍🏻
Ryan O'Neill (1 год назад)
Great video thanks!
Angelo E (1 год назад)
You got the M3 Torque figure wrong guys. It's more like 295 ft lbs.
Paul Marsh (1 год назад)
I think my F30 335d xdrive would be quicker than all of them. 😉
Arash Mahdawi Nader (1 год назад)
Was this a car review or face review?
tman 1470 (1 год назад)
gary nothing to do with your driving your car is just less superior to the bmw
Daniel Chapman (1 год назад)
I paid £38,000 for my new M3 in 2008 any one remember the banking crisis
DanieI Joseph (1 год назад)
First part of the video, you should drag race 0-100mph!
Road and Race (1 год назад)
+DanieI Joseph Would have liked to. We'all try to get to Santa Pod for a grudge match drag race!
michaelba86 (1 год назад)
You guys are good people but you can't make car videos, you're very bad at it, you have no driving skills.
Herofmine (1 год назад)
I did on my 2013 e92 m3 0-60 4.1 sec, but i have DCT it's much faster than Manual gearbox.
Alejandro Lopez (4 месяца назад)
Jajajajajja would you like jajajja
James Garvey (11 месяцев назад)
Herofmine also came with a box of tampons.
Dean Cooling (1 год назад)
great video!!! really enjoyed this Road and Race. If you want a "stig"give me a shout! really looking forwards to part 2. imo, its the M3 every time, regardless of what the test shows. On some nice national speed limit roads it will walk all over the others. Going to subscribe.
Road and Race (1 год назад)
+Dean Cooling Thanks for saying so Dean and thanks for the sub! I'll bear you in mind if a need for a Stig type arises!
Luke K (1 год назад)
don't you know that cars lose horses over time..
scook2003 (1 год назад)
Not if you secure your horse trailer correctly.
Azazl187 (1 год назад)
I'll take the v8 please
sugarsaint (1 год назад)
New brake pads before a hard brake test NO Obviously
Road and Race (1 год назад)
+sugarsaint Yeah. Bad move by me just didn't have time that weekend to get the brakes changed a film a show!
jonny jones (1 год назад)
get shut of the e92 and go with the f80 m3"  job done with petrol and speed
steaksaretasty (1 год назад)
Great vid and I can't wait for the next part.
Road and Race (1 год назад)
+steaksaretasty Thanks mate. Part 2 is live now!
Nasheel hurdhaw (1 год назад)
m3 would have destroyed them both if it were DCT
James Garvey (11 месяцев назад)
Nasheel hurdhaw the DCT while faster is much much more homosexual. Flaming gay! Besides, the manual should have whooped these cars anyway. User error.
Road and Race (1 год назад)
+Nasheel hurdhaw Yeah, good point.
Kubi (1 год назад)
I don't know what you did but the mpg of your m3 could have been better... You probably did something wrong eh? 😅
Road and Race (1 год назад)
+Kubi I tried my best! 😁
ĸɩηɡ ɕσɓɾα (1 год назад)
M3 v8 my favourit car
ĸɩηɡ ɕσɓɾα (1 год назад)
Road and Race :)
Road and Race (1 год назад)
+PrayFor YourFaith Excellent choice sir!
ViB33 (1 год назад)
3 awesome cars! I was acutally crossshopping exactly those 3. I decided for the M140i and upgraded it with ST XA coilovers and a new exhaust. Maybe JB4 in the future. Since I use it as a daily this seemed to be the best choice for me. For a weekend car the other 2 would have been my choice, especially the M3 E92.
Marcel B. (1 год назад)
Good choice :-)... most important upgrade though is the replacement of the suspension! That's a hell of a difference and makes the car much more responsive.
Road and Race (1 год назад)
+ViB33 The M140i certainly is one hell of a car. How to the coilovers compare to factory?
Ben Hayes (1 год назад)
Great episode. Too short! Brings it alive having your mates and their cars on there. You should do a long trip across Europe or something ;) I thought your comment about the Boxster feeling much lower and more stable at 60mph than the M3 was interesting. That's the kind of observation you don't always get in car mag reviews. I often think it's those more subjective observations that are more interesting than bare facts and speed tests etc. After all, enjoyable driving is about how you feel more than anything else, in my view.
Road and Race (1 год назад)
+Ben Hayes Thanks for saying so Ben! Was a hard choice to decide to split the video into two but the second part is out 6pm BST on Friday! Would love to do a Euro trip. Still have a day job so makes it more challenging but not impossible!
Fred Garvin (1 год назад)
The M3 has shit for torque. It needs a lot of revs off the line to get anywhere near that 0-60 time of 4.4. And a fuel economy test? Ridiculous.
Fred Garvin (11 месяцев назад)
I'm a retard with a garage filled with cars, not one of which is slower on the strip or a track than these three.
BlitzkriegRap (11 месяцев назад)
O- Tay You are a retard, that is what you are.
Pazza_M140i (1 год назад)
steaksaretasty However I'm not saying I think you're wrong as you're absolutely correct that a high revving n/a V8 must be absolutely awesome fun to drive and close to what a real sports car would be like...I can only imagine they must be incredible on a track.
steaksaretasty (1 год назад)
True. And 140/240 cars are very nice to drive. And I am sure M2 is even nice (have not driven that one).
Pazza_M140i (1 год назад)
steaksaretasty Well that's your opinion, everybody likes different features in a car and I certainly like how the 140/240i's drive.
Donald Callahan (1 год назад)
In before BMW has to be in the shop.
Latvietis96 (4 месяца назад)
Focus RS is in the shop doing a head gasket replacement while the M3 is a reliable car.
Tom Wainwright (6 месяцев назад)
Are you deluded? Have you not seen all the engine replacements for the new RS?
FOCUSEGO (8 месяцев назад)
And a new head gasket or maybe a new engine?
Mountain Man (1 год назад)
inb4 RS needs brake disc replacement 🕵
Snake Plisskin (1 год назад)
What the hell was that launch all about on the m140i?!
Snake Plisskin (1 год назад)
BigSerbiaForce No he's actually correct it is a Manual m140i , 15:00 mark you can see no paddles on the wheel. Therefore it wouldn't have had Launch control. The Auto Zf 140i is a much faster thing altogether.
BigSerbiaForce (1 год назад)
ViB33 Doesnt sound like an manual. Probably ZF
ViB33 (1 год назад)
not the manual versions
Snake Plisskin (1 год назад)
Road and Race The M135i / M140i both have launch control !
Road and Race (1 год назад)
Only the RS has launch control and it was used.
Danny Leon (1 год назад)
Subscribed! Really like your content.. keep it coming
Road and Race (1 год назад)
+Danny Leon Thanks for the sub Danny. Glad you like the vids!
Alex Moran (1 год назад)
Great video. :)
Road and Race (1 год назад)
+Alex Moran Thanks Alex! :)
dynamn (1 год назад)
the best I've done in my e93 m3 is 22mpg, 80 miles steady motorway cruise, the trip computer falsely shows 24 but I calculated myself from pump to pump.
dynamn (1 год назад)
it's very common trip computer shows slightly higher mpg than what it actually is.
Road and Race (1 год назад)
+dynamn That's interesting to hear. I wonder why the computer is wrong?
ATIN (1 год назад)
The M3 was probably let down a bit by tyres. I take it the M140 and RS were both on Pilot Super Sports?
Road and Race (1 год назад)
+ATIN Yeah they were but I think it also has to do with my lack of practice!
Polius YT (1 год назад)
nice vid as always m8 good work and dediction
Road and Race (1 год назад)
+Polius YT Thanks mate as always.
Monsterdoc (1 год назад)
Super nice ! Please change those rear lights for the Lci one !
steffydog1 (1 год назад)
Oh dear
DoubleDee JDM (1 год назад)
like an actual TV show, enjoyed that lads
Road and Race (1 год назад)
+david daffin Thanks for saying so David, spent a long time on this episode so it's great that you think so!
Mikey B (1 год назад)
Keep up the good work Neil!! 👏👏👍
Road and Race (1 год назад)
+Mikey B Thanks Mikey! 😀
rsfocusuk (1 год назад)
Did you use M-Dynamic Mode to launch?
Road and Race (1 год назад)
+rsfocusuk Yeah, I have it set as part of my M button settings. Thought it'd be better than it was. Oh well.
rextetron (1 год назад)
Good stuff guys! You could've done a test of acceleration and braking separately though. Less driver error that way.
Car Focused (1 год назад)
Road and Race yes why on Earth didn't we do a straight up 0-60?!
Road and Race (1 год назад)
+rextetron Thanks mate! Yeah, you're right. One to remember for next time!
Tom Scott (1 год назад)
Think you've done a disservice to yourself with the estimate of 4.4 - 60 in the M3. The DCT is 4.4 the manual is 4.8 AT BEST! Perfect conditions with sticky tyres and they are notorious for being difficult to get off the line and getting a good time. Chris Harris did a review VS the GTR back in the day and was so disappointed he sold it. Give it a google. One of the reasons I wasn't that keen on mine, wasn't much fun as a daily because it had no torque, great fun when hitting the revs high up but your destroying the speed limit in 2nd at 8k. Should look at a Z4M they are so much more fun the S54 is a lovely engine. Really enjoyed the video tho! Great production love the channel. Keep it up!
Road and Race (1 год назад)
+Tom Scott Thanks Tom for your kind words as always. Yeah, you're right about the 4.8 - must have looked at the wrong row when writing the script! Oh well. Will check out the Chris Harris vid. Btw, how do you find Harris on Top Gear?
PeaceXthroughXmusic (1 год назад)
Great piece man! Wonderful production quality and attention keeping story throughout. These types of cars really reach out to the correct audience, too.
3DFX (1 год назад)
Road and Race Great work! Wonder how my GTI Clubsport (with R engine workarounds) would do. its a DSG but on paper it do 0-60 on 5.9. However on a Stage 1 tune a Golf R does 0-60 in 3.7 seconds.. ;) This being slightly downtuned ithink id retain something around 4. Do these cars have 4WD by the way? Check videos on my 2017 GTI Clubsport in 4K at my channel if you like! :)
PeaceXthroughXmusic (1 год назад)
It definitely shows, unfortunately, the economics of online video usually doesn't allow this amount of editing to be feasible, but it's just really top notch presentation, edited with good flow, but still with relatable banter between statistical-type segments. Hopefully you can take some ideas you used here and find a way to fast-track similar editing techniques for the future.
Road and Race (1 год назад)
So kind of you to say. I really appreciate that. It was damn hard work, over 40 hours of editing alone, but I'm really proud of this show. Part 2 out on Friday!
Bruno Cano (1 год назад)
Ill take the m3 any day of the week of those 2 (i own one ;) )
BOBBY D (10 месяцев назад)
Your little girl is precious ! Take it easy with her in the car ! PEACE OUT !
Brian Smith (10 месяцев назад)
BOBBY D fair enough if your car is still in warranty, I didn't know BMW would allow a stage 3 and still keep the cars warranty. My E90 isn't an X drive it's a rear wheel drive. It also has very little drive-train loss. It doesn't have a LSD, I would love one as I can't get the power down due to the huge amount of torque. Has for pink-slip keep dreaming lmao.
BOBBY D (10 месяцев назад)
Thats where you and I differ. Those Jb4 kits , void the warranty and are subject to problems that the Dinan upgrades don't get. Who buys a luxury sports car and does cheap mods ? The nitrous kit , will blow up that JB4 , but not the Dinan. You are overlooking the fact that , with all your bhp and torque , your x is driving 4 wheels not 1 . With the LSD stabilizing the rear end , straight lines or in curves makes no difference. Add a little aviation fuel to the tank, brother , your pink slip is mine! ha ha!
Brian Smith (10 месяцев назад)
I can assure you it's not slower than your car lol, how can it be it has the same bhp. Who even gets a Dinan remap these days with such conservative gains, get a JB4 or a local well known professional remapper. I would ask for my $$$ money back lol😉. You need to earn my pink-slip, it will never happen lol.
BOBBY D (10 месяцев назад)
Yes , slower than an all Dinan 3 , Catless downpipes, & Nitrous Express! I want your pink slip.
Car Focused (1 год назад)
Patiently waiting for the BMW boys to start slating my RS 😂 Good fun Neil looking forward to the next day of filming 👍🏼
ali ali (5 месяцев назад)
The RS is more of a chavs car going to the nearest McDonald’s with a trampy chav girl.
Car Focused (1 год назад)
Matt Bastow they're solid actually, stops very well indeed though 👍🏼
Car Focused (1 год назад)
Matt Bastow haha nah I'm ok thanks mate 😂 I think they're vented but without going out to have a look I can't be certain....
Road and Race (1 год назад)
It'll commence shorty... Great fun on the day, thanks for coming along!
MisterBassBoost (1 год назад)
Lovely content! Keep it up!
Road and Race (1 год назад)
So glad you liked it. Will do!
steaksaretasty (1 год назад)
Ummm.. the torque on e92 M3 is 295 not 225.
Socalson 805 (1 месяц назад)
steaksaretasty correct...
Guys That Drive (1 год назад)
Road and Race massively undersold the m3 with that torque figure! everyone knows it's not a torque monster but if your car is making those figures I'd be very concerned!
Road and Race (1 год назад)
Yep, you are right. How embarrassing. Must have made a typo in the script.

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