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Probably not. As far as I've been able to understand from Plato's dialogues, much of what he (or Socrates) spoke about came from other previous philosophers (amongst others, Anaxagoras, Pythagoras, Heraclitus, and Parmenides), and those philosophers were heavily inspired by the kind of beliefs and values that were already present in Greek culture, and that had probably existed ever since the beginning of time. Plato did not invent ἀρετή, nor did he sole-handedly create the dialectic method. He merely borrowed them from those who had spoken before him. I suggest you to read Plato's Meno for an exploration of this.
The reason why everyone keeps on quoting Plato or expanding upon what Plato said is because Plato wrote about just about everything important to Western culture (love, religion, poetry, the existence of God, the origin of human language, ideas, the State, and most importantly, virtue as exemplary behaviour).
This is so cool. I don't know much about philosophy at all, but I'm required to take a class for it in my first semester at uni. If anyone recommends any books, films or youtube videos for a beginner then please do so!!
Plato once said, "You can learn more about a person in an hour of play than in a year of conversation."
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Only metaphorically, not biologically, and even so, it's not a very good metaphor. Speusippus and Xenocrates, Plato's successors at the Academy, were much closer to being Plato's true sons than Aristotle. Of all the things that Aristotle might have learnt from Plato, it seems like the only thing he actually took was 1) the use of the dialectic method to reveal truths hidden within common knowledge, and 2) virtue as a median state. His mistrust for sophists might have been taken from Plato, but he showed a lot less hostility towards rhetoricians and democracies, unlike his master, and he dared not think of poets as possessed madmen. Plato's adoration for the One and ideas as a realm separate from physical reality was completely discarded by Aristotle, who did not quite mark a distinction between metaphysics and physics.
every comment has a pretty bad perspective on today, as i see it, throughout all of history we have ups and downs of EVERY IMAGINABLE KIND, as i see the names and technology change and the whole process is staying the same, people think is amazing that life is similar to then, but why wouldnt it be? our history and present and future was formed by them, and we still have the same aspects, everything we do today has a different name or perspective but is still THE SAME, id argue that the WHOLE history of humanity is a bunch of actions and reactions that change and repeat... this is just like a 30 second part on what i could go on for hours... but also why wouldnt we be the same? people have always followed trends and the most popular things, if youve seen a Justin Y. youtube comment it isnt suprising to see him everywere, 2 people veiwing the most popular videos of the same topics.. if you cannot follow along and have a bunch of bs to say, dont waste my time on this planet, if you have a real counter arguement or some REAL information; then please, enlighten me
A healthy man and healthy woman should get together because they lack what the other gender has. however they should both have a quality and quantity of love for building a wholesome heterosexual family structure procreating children. Peace💯
Honestly it seems to me like Plato advocated totalitarianism. In the Republic, there is a chapter dedicated to socrates talking of censorship to regulate the opinions of the people, which is somewhat disturbing and evocative of many authoritarian regimes
If you count the Upanishads and the Bhagavad Gita as philosophy, you could push the starting point for philosophy even further back.
Even within the Western tradition, Plato is known to have not been the first philosopher. The first person to have that title was Thales of Miletus (624-546 B.C.E.). Plato actually mentions many of his predecessors (like Parmenides, Anaxagoras, and Pythagoras) in his dialogues, and admits to borrowing many of his ideas, and his dialectic method from them. What sets Plato apart from people who came before him is the fact that he developed the concept of arete (ἀρετή - virtue), and refined the dialectic method (also known as the Socratic method in honor of Socrates, his master and the main speaker in many of his dialogues) up to a standard which had hitherto never been seen before. Philosophy does not start with Plato, but practically every single thing that has become important to us Westerners (the State, love, wisdom, poetry, the existence of God, the nature of Being, religion, music, and the best possible kind of behaviour - virtue) was written about by Plato. Meditation and reverence for our ancestors has never quite been as important for us as seeking to know the truth and contemplating Creation at its finest.
Plato sounds good in the paper and thought, but in the real world his ideals are deadly and wrong, like society ruled by marxism with guardian class of ''religious police'' that throws wrong thinkers into gulags because they might be able to challenge the utopia heavy mindset of the ''city-state'', dislike of the democracy is just a minor hint among abolishing certain peoples wealth but allowing top class to have it their way and divide the people by ''what's right in his opinion''.
"challenge the utopia" you say? Anyone who challenges ubiquitous happiness certainly is in need of help...perhaps you have an alternative to gulags?? I think that's the real point you're trying to articulate. That gulags are bad lol. Sorry if you've been there, truly.
At first it seems like you're formulating contrary arguments to the idea of a "perfect" world. In a perfect world...who the fuck does that? You're either a troll or <insert label here>.
I don't agree with anything of plato philosophy. All I hear is what we out to do, not what is? Reality is subjective from one person to another. People by definition are often used as the oxygen to inflate societies lungs, to produce the bodies of the nation state idea that humans have a better life than humans in a small less prosperous country. The government is also willing to pay, help, work, with their problems in a meeting of their own choice, i.e president to lead them out of those problems. In conclusion, people are powerless to the alternative idea of self determination and resilience, to create an important role in oneself to build an environment where you need/ make your own money, health, happiness i.e Self made individual vs nation state made individual. This idea is the difference between being able to see what is, vs what ought to be. i.e problematic slave labour society vs self reliant prosperous civilian. ( Make it outside of society and the nation state ) or ( fall in and become a world slave ).
Ask any human on earth who made it out of society, would you rather go back to the 9/5 job or stay successful? They would immediately admit staying successful. Because they have no reason why they don't care for you and your family is not really the feeling that you have been doing all along, that everybody in society has been in a very long time of being able to go on to the point where the game is broken and that never came the fact that the only reason to get to the top is to make a new game called self resistance and self determination to get to a better life outside of society broken norms and traditions. In essence, for to make it out is in itself against society and the nation state idea at large and to follow society is a life of failure as 99% are already have and the successful 1% have not but instead gone against the government, society, traditions, norms, opinions, religions, and the world at large. The successful have known two keys to success, to truly know oneself vs society and applying the art of "mind over matter" is the keys to understanding and achieving your life dreams, while obtaining true freedom and fulfilment to booth.
Reality is objective. Truth is subjective. Plato's Republic is the plan for the ideal state, not for a state which could be said to realistically be capable of being summoned into existence. If you want a comparison of real constitutions and governments, read Aristotle's Politics.
So.....what if Plato's Utopian state would produce "state-made individuals" that have the power to "create an important role in oneself to build an environment where you need/ make your own money, health, happiness." I think you've managed to gloss over the definition of the world utopia lol. Its all hypothetical "in a perfect world" logic so obviously you have found problems because you're comparing apples to oranges. Its kinda like comparing genesis to geology. The contradiction you find doesn't change the fact the "honor thy mother and father" or "love your neighbor" is a morally right thing to do in most cases.
Despite the fact that the wright brothers might have crashed a few times....airplanes are, in fact, possible.
Seneca, Cicero, Lucretius, Marcus Aurelius, St. Augustine, Boethius. Even during the Roman Imperial era, most philosophers (like Epictetus, Plotinus, and Sextus Empiricus) wrote in Greek, not in Latin, and would identify themselves as ethnic Greeks first and foremost.
Plato didn't give Socrates a "starring" role in the republic or any other works where Socrates shows up. Plato just wrote down everything that Socrates said. He learned everything he knew from Socrates. You are way to dismissive of Socrates's role in history. He was the "first" real philosopher. It's called the "Socratic method" for a reason. disappointing vid.
All these things sound great to a rich guy who has lots of time, like Plato was. But what about all those slaves ancient greece had? Sparta had a 20 slaves to 1 Spartan ratio. None of this was applicable to the slaves, and none of this stuff applies to me. Well back to the grind
Plato and Aristotle are exceptional in the fact that most of their works survived all the way till modern times, and that we even have quite a few forgeries made by their followers who attributed these works to the Great Masters.
As someone who actually read the platonic dialogues and neoplatonic thesies and who considers himself a platonist as well... this is pure, crystallized nonsense. Plato isn't a relationship advisor. Symposium is not about romantic love, but about eros, about the deep love which transcends one to the higher truth. Plato is about the way we think, Plato is about contemplating the Truth, the form of Good. it's about rising one's spirit to a higher state and to leave body and feelings and oneself behind. That's Platonism. If you really want to know what platonism (and aristotelism) truly is, look no further than to a mind of a Christian monk. That's platonism. Not this hedonistic bullshit.
Veritable Veritablility I would be happy to do so. Since Christianity has three roots. One is the Hebrew monotheism, then the actual events considering Jesus of Nazareth (and the apostles) and then there is Greek philosophy. Mostly Platonism in its Neoplatonic form (see Augustine, Origen, Pseudo-Dionysus the Areopagite and other patristic church fathers) and later with Thomism aristotelianism comes to play. You see Platonism mostly in Augustine, who was undoubtedly one of the most influential Christian philosopher-theologian ever. A lot from Platonism survived in Christianity. Like the idea of a cloister, a monastery in which the monks are to contemplate and learn without any marital relationships. Then there is the whole idea of chastity. To turn away from the flesh and to look “up” into the higher realm of spiritual truths. That’s Platonism. There is the whole idea of the One (God) which was put down by Plato and really well elaborated by Plotinus, a Neoplatonist. I can go on and on
My telepathy clairvoyance aren't quite up to par these days so if you could elaborate on:
"If you really want to know what platonism (and aristotelism) truly is, look no further than to a mind of a Christian monk"
I would be become very grateful.
Very strongly. Many of the early Church Fathers (like Clement of Alexandria, Gregory of Nyssa, and St. Augustine) derived most of their explanations on the nature of God, the universe, and virtue from Plato and the Neo-Platonists. Even St. Thomas Aquinas, one of the hardest Aristotelians in the Roman Catholic Church, indirectly took a lot of Neo-Platonist influence through St. Augustine, Boethius, and Avicenna.
Stoicism (most iconically represented by Cicero, Seneca the Younger, and Epictetus) also heavily influenced Christian theology in regards to the idea of Divine Providence and the virtues of wisdom, justice, temperance, and courage (which, not too surprisingly, were also embraced by Aristotle and Plato). Plato, Aristotle, and Seneca were known by Medieval philosophers as "the Three Great Teachers".
St. Augustine's The City of God, one of the most important texts in Christian theology and Early Medieval philosophy, heavily resembles Plato's Republic and Plotinus' Enneads, in regards to its explanations of ethically correct behaviour, the ideal state as led by the wisest and most noble men of all, enlightened by the God above us, and the separate existence of the body and the soul.
You could say that modern Christianity is a fusion of Hebrew mythology, Platonist/Aristotelian philosophy, and a mixture of pagan practices taken from elsewhere. Now, this is not to say that they are incompatible or that they are atrocious, for every man has a right to worship God in his own way, as long as he loves Him and respects the sacred basic doctrines which have been kept since centuries past. Wisdom and beauty can be found on all corners of this Earth which has been created by one and only one God. Wherefore must we not enjoy them and make ourselves fuller by experiencing them?
That's why I want to become a political sniper and take out all the moronic politicians. The only problem is.. I don't have a moronicmeter to measure them objectively. I could use one that scans politicians from a distance and beeps when moronic levels are in Red. I would love to attach it to my rifle, if it's portable.
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All of this stuff was completely lost, demagoguery is an everyday thing, the media has become corrupt enough to use their tools for swaying people rather than informing them, pedophiles and other hateful types of celebrities are considered the top echelon of society and ridiculously considered role-models, schools teach little in the way of how to lead a life and focus instead of more pointless specifics of grammar rules, specific dates of events in history and other things that most people don't need unless they pursue areas where that information is relevant.
Thanks for writing this the way you did. I definitely need and love "the moral of the bible." But the last time I went to church they made me leave for asking too many questions...I was 7 lol and never looked back.
Of course i shake my dust off but i think everybody sees that you`re just copying what Hollywood has programmed into you in an absolute cheap way. It`s sad. People literally can`t think anymore and it`s truly like in the satanic "twilight zone".
It seems to be very cruel to want people to gain eternal life and true love and to protect good people by taking dangerous murderers, thiefs and pervs of all kind out, after they`ve received a whole lot of chances and warnings, to bring them back where they came from so to speak. It`s sad, that you don`t realize the fact that you believe cheap stuff like "Zeitgeist" and everything you read online and what dubious, dangerous people deliver, but not the holy book which has predicted thousand things, which never was wrong and which is attacked each and everywhere exactly the way it has predicted because of it, as even little children who still can think freely. can see. My way leads to the truth. Your way leads to persecution of christians as a slave to the antichrist system in times where even little children get killed every day and to obeying without thinking.
The bible has predicted it but so you can`t see. To know what is what regarding Christ`s birthday you should at least be able to think for one single minute and research the difference between teachings of the (satanic) church and the teachings of the bible. The real birthday of Christ is september 11th to these satanists by the way and this is why 9 11 has happened. Truly, somebody who can`t see can`t judge what can be seen. The truth sets us free and we see that you are indoctrinated to the max, completely confused as the bible has predicted it, not knowing any kind of facts, and that you are probalby absolutely possessed and willing to attack christians any time.
Detlef Daddowitz your bible was nothing but the first how to book for dummies. Ie how to live together in peace. Old testament used fear "vengeful cruel god" and new testement used a "loving peaceful god". And the fact you don't realize most of the stories in the bible are not christian but are from earlier religions and pagen teachings. Even your christs birthday doesn't line up in fact but was a pagen holiday to celebrate the harvest. Your book is nothing but a means to control the masses in ignorance.
With all of that you have shown once again that the bible is always right and the bible has predicted what you are doing right here. I can rejoice because i was attacked for my faith once again as the bible has predicted it. Nevertheless i pray for you.
The problem is that you are confused to the max. As the bible shows us. The god of this world confuses the senses of the people. He who is of the world doesn`t see what`s from god. So it`s like in the twilight zone for christians. Even little children can see by watching one modern Hollywood film alone how satanic this world is. It is always, always the bible which gets attacked. Christ is mocked everywhere. Is it wise to do exactly the same thing because main stream culture tells you to do so like the bible has predicted it? First of all you have to understand that there is a difference between christianity, christians and the bible. Then you have to see that the bible didn`t do any harm at all and you probably are confusing the bible for the church once again. You fall for the agenda. The way you talk alone shows that the only goal of the agenda is to destroy morals and that you truly need the moral of the bible. You follow a cult and what you do is truly satanic.
You seem to be possessed and i shake my dust off.
Amazing how Plato came to that first idea of Think More, but actually what he ends up with is us trying to be the watchers of our thoughts, therefore we can evaluate them and that is a process nowadays known as a practice to shut down the overthinking mind and make the consciousness come to the front. So, it's not "think more" but actually "Be aware of your thoughts" that opens up an entire new topic though but still, just putting that practice to work is something amazing <3
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