How do different diets compare? What's the overall health of a person with a meat/fish/poultry diet vs someone on a plant based/whole foods diet?
Panel Participants: J. Morris Hicks, Pamela A. Popper, Ph.D., N.D., Baxter Montgomery, M.D., Michael Klaper, M.D.
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With all due respect, the problem with all these "experts" is that they cause nothing but confusion by engaging in this relentless tug-o'-war between plant based eating and low carb/higher fat animal food based diets. I found my personal road to weight loss and improved health by embracing the common denominators that both of these schools of thought share. I avoid refined sugars and starches, fast food, fried foods, and processed and packaged junk and snack foods--- foods created in laboratories by food manufacturers. I never eliminate entire food groups because I don't believe that all carbs are my enemy or all fats are my enemy. I am mindful of my portions, I keep a food journal, and I drink plenty of water and get as much exercise, activity, and quality sleep as possible. These lifestyle changes and habits which I started developing at age 48 have resulted in a weight loss of over 100 pounds which I have kept off for 20 years despite having hypothyroidism and an earlier history of yo-yo dieting and morbid obesity. In my humble opinion, it's all about finding what works best for each individual. Most importantly, we must adopt sustainable eating and exercise habits that lend themselves to long-term wellness rather than temporary fixes.
That black doctor and white old man are so unbelievably full of shit. They're self interested to boost their client base, academic research, and profit off it. If you eat fruits, vegetables, and fish on a daily basis you'll live to be 100 years old. Just ask the Japanese why they're so god damn healthy and they eat fish 24/7.
Why give information that you can't apply on your own? What's the purpose of the disclaimer? To protect the persons providing the information? Don't they think people will do exactly what they're advising persons not to do ?
Hahaha none of them cited a single study. show me a well performed study on twins, with the same lifestyle, and same diet, with one getting the majority of their protein from UNPROCESSED meat and the other getting protein from UNPROCESSED vegetables/grains/legumes, and I would gladly become vegan or vegetarian. (Seriously if anyone can show me a study like this without biased sampling methods I will become vegan). Until then, I will gladly eat meat, fish, eggs and dairy.
these people are a cult we have canine teeth of course meat is part of our diet maybe these doctors can afford a 25000 dollar a year grocery bill but we cannot I wonder what is God's opinion on all of this bullshit
One bite of fish puts someone in the ICU ! LOL! We have a contestant for the most unbelievable lie of the year! People who eat a mainly fish diet are the healthiest. Seafood based diet is the best. Eat animal organs too. Eat them raw because heat destroys protein. These doctors are liars.
The professional woman talking is way too skinny. Yeah obviously thin is healthy but I can literally see holes in her cheeks. She thinks she’s healthy but I think she could collapse at any minute. Having tried every possible diet on the planet (including veganism for 6 months) I finally found what it’s all about. I found middle ground so I am half vegan - half paleo. I don’t eat red meat or dairy, I eat chicken fish and eggs. And it’s working wonders. My body improved in all matters.
The JAPANESE EAT A LOT OF FISH. SO WHY NOT STUDY THE JAPANESE AND THE HINDU INDIANS WHO EAT PLANT BASED DIET. COMPARE BOTH. WE ALL KNOW THAT SUGAR (SOFT DRINKS, FASTFOOD, PASTRIES) AND PROCESSED FOODS ARE THE CULPRIT.
It would have been more interesting if they had included resources that could provide a different point of view and let people decide who made more sense to them. That panel was obviously promoting a vegan lifestyle and cannot provide an objective opinion but a biased rebuke about meat consumption.
Good god, the hyperbolic tone is ridiculous. Comparing cyanide to fish? A plant based diet is one healthy way of eating, we all know this. Excellent source of minerals, fiber, etc. Great, tell us something we (most fairly educated people) don't already know. But saying anything other than a plant based diet will lead to an early death is irresponsible. I can come up with an equal number of studies that show a ketogenic diet is healthy. It seems that those who are trying to convince people that their way of eating is the right way can only use scare tactics to get across their point. Far too many generalizations within this panel to take what they are saying seriously.
papparocket okay lets get some perspective here. Fish are not causing heart disease the way that you are insinuating. There are way more factors at play like extreme obesity, sedentary behaviour, smoking, high amounts of saturated fat and trans fat from fried foods and grease and fatty meats and tons of processed sugars and foods...
I agree with you that it is not a health food but lets not suggest that all animal products and fats are the same here. These doctors however, do not have room for error with their patients and that is why they are acting extreme on their suggestions. I was not even answering you in the comments so why don't you keep your judgements to yourself. I already eat a plant based diet but if I eat a small piece of fish, it is not going to have the same reaction in me as it would in someone who has such advanced heart disease and narrowed arteries.
Sarah Skittles. Studies dating back to the Korean war and continuously updated since then have looked at the arteries of people from infants on up who died in accidents (so we know they didn't die from a disease). These studies have found that 90% of ten year olds already have fatty streaks in their arteries, which is the first stage of heart disease. They also find that by the time people are in their 20s that over 70% already have a significant number of arterial plaques starting to develop on the inside of their arteries. About 20% of 20 years olds already have significant blockage of their coronary arteries. As the age goes up the percentage of people with signifant heart disease continues to increase and around age 30 the percentage having heart attacks, serious angina and stokes starts to climb.
The long and short of it we *_ALL_* have heart disease and should behave as such. So it isn't just the people that have finally reached such an advanced stage of disease that it lands them in the doctor's office, emergency room or morgue that the diet talked about in this video is aimed at. We all have heart disease and it is aimed at all of us. And it doesn't end there.
About 75% of all Americans have an elevated insulin resistance which means that muscle and liver cells do not respond to insulin as they should. If the pancreas only produced a fixed amount of insulin this would mean that 70% of the population would already have diabetes. But that isn't the case since our pancreas has a significant reserve capacity and so ups the insulin production to overcome the resistance. But after many years of this the insulin producing beta cells start to die and years and even decades after they developed a serious chronic condition their pancreas is finally so damaged that their baseline blood sugar level finally starts to rise and a diagnosis of "pre-diabetes" is made. This doesn't mean that they might develop a disease if they don't do something soon. It means that they have had a serious disease for a long time and now it is becoming critical. In the US about 34% of the population has already so damaged their pancreas that they have been diagnosed as being pre-diabetic. On top of this the CDC in their 2017 report on diabetes estimates that 12.2% of all US adults already have full blown type 2 diabetes. That means that 46% of Americans are already in the end stages of insulin resistance.
So no Sarah it is very likely that this video was specifically aimed at you since it is statistically likely that you need to make the same changes to save you from the chronic disease you already have.
Carrie Bishop you have to understand that they are dealing with critically ill people who are on the verge of death. Those people need extreme changes to save them from these diseases. Its a different situation from you and I.
Insane!!! Want more proof this Doctors are biased, and care less for our health? Telling people fish is bad for our health is surreal. This is another proof that "They are in it for the animals not for our health" Vegans are in it for the animals, they will do and tell us what it takes to convince us to stop eating animals.
patty 8873 1.- I really don't care who funds a study, all I care if it's a reliable one and meets the highest methodological standards.
2.- There's so much evidence about the cholesterol issue it's hard to believe its a meat industry maneuver.
Do you really believe the meat industry is capable of hiring so many scientists and scientific writiers who make such valuable research? By the way read anyof these books and youll find tons okf reaserch to back up what Im saying.
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The Great Cholesterol Con by Malcolm Kendric
The Great Cholesterol Myth by Johnny Bowden Phd and Stephen Sinatra MD
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toavm you think this panel is biased...well just check that those studies that come up when you google saturated fat and cholesterol myth aren’t funded by the beef and dairy industries. Nothing the people on this panel are saying is anything new or earth shattering.
It isn't the years in your life, it is the life in your years that matters. So if we can know that animal foods increase our chances of developing debilitating chronic diseases that will rob our final years even decades of our life the health and vitality needed to enjoy those years, then dying at 90 or 100 after decades of declining health seems more like a curse than a blessing. But living those same number of years with health and vigor with only the last few years where your health is in decline would be just the reverse. Living the same number of years but one life is hell and the other is heaven.
Exactly! I would rather live long healthy life and then die quickly rather than live a short healthy life and take decades to die a slow, painful and debilitating death even if I live to be 100 either way, especially if I live to be 100!
The saying goes people who eat a predominantly animal based diet die longer than people on a plant based diet. Meaning they need a lot more medical support, surgeries, lots of pills to live longer. Plant based diet is protective against our leading killers
This idiot is truly comparing cyanide to having lean fish even 2x a month. Says to remove it completely lol. Damn fool. Such a first world attitude where a whole foods is around every corner. People have survived on all kinds of diets. To go to extremes and make idiotic points to make your diet seem superior or the only way just makes you lose the tiny bit of creditability you had.
No doubt a majority plant-based diet is the way to go. But this all or nothing attitude is what is destroying the message and reality.
What about all the hunter gatherer humans that have consumed meats and fish for millions of years. Ask an anthropologist what their health was like. What about the Hadza tribe?what about liver and mussels the most nutrient dense foods on the planet? Nutrient profile knocks the pants off lentils and chickpeas. Makes no sense smh
Dave Yttri, speculation about the health of people tens to hundreds of thousands of years ago is fun, but useless when we can directly observe the health of those we are most concerned with, us! And guess what, we have. And study after study show that the closer a population gets to following a whole food plant based diet the lower the rates of the top chronic diseases with a very nearly perfect correlation between calories from animal sources and disease rates. Sure, none of those societies are vegan, but there are very large populations who consumed 5% of the calories or less from animal sources and those societies had the lowest rates of chronic diseases and the highest average life expectancy. And their low disease rates were not because of the small amount of animal products in their diet but in spite of it.
So while it is entirely possible that a diet with "good quality meats" does indeed improve ones health, it is only relative to a diet with bad quality meats or lots of refined grains and sugar or whatever nutritional abomination you want to compare it to. But that doesn't mean that it is the best possible diet. To know that you have to compare it to all possible diets including a 100% plant based diet. And when you do that, as clearly shown in the Adventists 1 and 2 studies, the plant based diet beat out the other diets consumed by this very health conscious population where even the meat eaters didn't consume very much compared to the rest of the population.
This topic is about food & diet, not race, politics or sexual harassment. Stay on topic. He was saying the people back then didn't have the issues that people do today with food because of processing, factory farming, feeding animals corn & grain instead of grass, use of antibiotics etc. and that organic grass fed animal meat is not the cause of health issues. All the information you are seeing about meat being bad for health is because studies were done with the junk meat. It is like "salt is bad for you" No it isn't unless you eat processed table salt. Salt is actually good for you. It has lots of healthy minerals. Studies with the good quality meats have completely different results. My blood work shows it, to and for me. PS Over consumption is also an issue like red wine. 1 or 2 is ok 3 or more shows to be bad. Hope this helps you.
There has never been a population on earth who has been vegan. You have to wonder why? The reality is that none of the Blue Zone populations around the world are vegan. You often hear vegan groups and doctors drag out the Okinawa's as examples yet those folks over 100 year of age aren't vegan. They eat fish, lard, oils, chicken, eggs and pork. In fact find me just one person over 100 years of age who is a vegan? There aren't any and never has been.
That doesn't matter much to someone who went plant based and cured their diabetes, obesity, hypertension, heart disease, asthma, arthritis, back pain, edema, fatigue, insomnia, depression etc. Quality of life is handsomely, generously enhanced. Immortality is not a requirement.
auggiedoggy The only supplement that vegans need is b12 but literally most meat eaters are deficient in that. You can also find b12 naturally through yeast. Vitamins, minerals, and amino acids can be found in plants.
auggiedoggy Only realistic in developing countries? Supplements? A 3rd world country can grow grains and fruits. They don't need to be developed to grow them. Did you know most civilizations back then grew plants and lived off of them?
Put yourself in your own shoes before you were vegan, always remember that we all had these ideas. We were indoctrinated from a young age, programmed to think a certain way. It's pretty sad. Humanity still has much to learn. Remembering how I once was really helps me understand why people have these crazy ideas. Veganism is exploding now, people are waking up. Not 3 years ago I was asking "what the hell is a vegan", "Why would you not drink milk!!!????". Almost everyone is aware of veganism and what it is now. The tides are turning!
+Jaquan Correct, fish are great at converting ALA into EPA / DHA. When humans were evolving we were not eating flax seeds or walnuts, we ate easy to catch mussels, then gravitated to fish. I wish the evidence wasn't there, but our brains are made primarily from DHA and that is the reason many vegans are having cognitive issues, along with drastically low cholesterol levels which affects their hormones. With that being said I have known a few vegans who are doing just fine cognitively and wish I could thrive on 100% plant based diet.
+RAW FOOD PHILOSOPHY Dude no disrespect but you have to use your brain. ALL of our Vitamin and Nutrients are plant based, they are NOT animal based. Only one vitamin you can't get from plants and that's vitamin b12. But its not animal based either, its from bacteria...You ask why DHA [omega 3 fatty acids] are so abundant in fish? Well where do you think Fish are getting their DHA from? They don't make it themselves, They get it from the algae and phytoplankton. There are many plant sources of omega 3, [flax seeds, hemp seeds, walnuts, blue green algae, etc.] and most people bodies convert the ALA to DHA, those who don't can simply take a DHA supplement---but make sure to do your research to make sure you are getting a high quality one.
+RAW FOOD PHILOSOPHY How so ? They may see their way of living as more productive to the world than those of an alternative way of living. May be they see it as something that shouldn't be around because it is not their way. They may be craving elimination of what is felt as a hindrance to modern universal development. What do you think?
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