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With the regressive left's revisionist history sweeping academia and mainstream culture; what is the true hidden history of western civilization? Tom Woods joins Stefan Molyneux to discuss the role of the Catholic Church in building western civilization, the impotence of mainstream media, practical/theoretical divisions within the libertarian community and much more!
Dr. Tom Woods is a senior fellow at the Mises Institute and the host of The Tom Woods Show. Dr. Woods is a New York Times bestselling author and has published twelve books including most recently “Real Dissent: A Libertarian Sets Fire to the Index Card of Allowable Opinion,” “Rollback: Repealing Big Government Before the Coming Fiscal Collapse” and “Nullification: How to Resist Federal Tyranny in the 21st Century.”
Real Dissent: http://www.fdrurl.com/woods-real-dissent
The Politically Incorrect Guide to American History: http://www.fdrurl.com/woods-guide-to-history
33 Questions: http://www.fdrurl.com/woods-33-questions
How the Catholic Church Built Western Civilization: http://www.fdrurl.com/woods-church-built-civilization
We Who Dared to Say No to War: http://www.fdrurl.com/woods-no-to-war
The Church and the Market: http://www.fdrurl.com/woods-church-and-market
Back on the Road to Serfdom: http://www.fdrurl.com/woods-serfdom
The Church Confronts Modernity: http://www.fdrurl.com/woods-modernity
Who Killed the Constitution: http://www.fdrurl.com/woods-killed-the-constitution
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The idea of "Western Civilization" is a bad joke. America is not Europe! America is a secular federal republic which was inspired, in part, by the Iroquois Confederacy. When America was founded, almost all of the European states, including the Kingdom of Great Britain, were hereditary monarchies and unitary states with a state-backed national church. The Founding Fathers called their new country THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA - that's "America", i.e., the New World. They didn't call it "New England", "New Europe", or "Far Western Europe"!
Europe created and spread Communism, Socialism, Marxism, Fascism, and Nazism. America has stood against and fought these evil European diseases. Europeans would still be invading, slaughtering and enslaving each other right now - and still dragging the rest of the world into Europe's internal conflicts - if not for AMERICAN DOMINANCE OVER EUROPE!
John Quincy Adams, as Secretary of State under President James Monroe, advised would-be immigrants from Europe that unless they stop being European and discard their European thinking, they will fail in America:
"But there is one principle which pervades all the institutions of this country, and which must always operate as an obstacle to the granting of favors to new comers. THIS IS A LAND, NOT OF PRIVILEGES, BUT OF EQUAL RIGHTS. PRIVILEGES ARE GRANTED BY EUROPEAN SOVEREIGNS TO PARTICULAR CLASSES OF INDIVIDUALS, FOR PURPOSES OF GENERAL POLICY; BUT THE GENERAL IMPRESSION HERE [IN AMERICA] IS THAT PRIVILEGES GRANTED TO ONE DENOMINATION OF PEOPLE, CAN VERY SELDOM BE DISCRIMINATED FROM EROSIONS OF THE RIGHTS OF OTHERS....
"To one thing they [Europeans] must make up their minds, or, they will be disappointed in every expectation of happiness as Americans. THEY MUST CAST OFF THE EUROPEAN SKIN, NEVER TO RESUME IT. THEY MUST LOOK FORWARD TO THEIR POSTERITY, RATHER THAN BACKWARD TO THEIR ANCESTORS; they must be sure that whatever their own feelings may be, those of their children will cling to the prejudices of this country, and will partake of that proud spirit, not unmingled with disdain...."
-- Secretary of State John Quincy Adams to prospective German immigrant Moritz von Furstenwarther, 1819 (http://www.theamericanphilosopher.com/2015/10/08/notable-quotable-john-quincy-adams/ )
I take the point that science, The Enlightenment, The Reformation, The Industrialist Revolution etc, all happened in a Christian Europe. I also see many Christian teachings as useful morally of course. But neither of these two things means the Christian God exists or that Jesus was Devine.
ok Stefan. u generalize on another level and pass yourself off as a well rounded intellectual. u may see your Christianity as a small percentage of your mash but ive watched a few of yer vids last few days and your work is enveloped in it. and your athiest bashing is off target as u are comfortable labeling ppl. your claim to a religious faith is a wildcard that untethers u from your own self assured facts. atheism buttresses perspectives to facts where good morals preside. and with abstract symbolism given less credence we do have quite a bearing on the future in contrast to your comment. Surprised u don't wish for progress toward a moral and fact driven zeitgeist over a continued gray area of fables with billions in its path left disappointed, lied to and worse. Christians are arrogant enuf in their unwavering beliefs that billions still hold to it as it fails. This atheist sees the harm religion does and sees a better way for the future of humanity. If u think protecting disadvantaged people from pain and hardship at all costs is for your political adversaries I wish u would rethink your Jesus. Or would that be too costly at this stage in your career?
This is a wonderful dialogue, almost as good as being among the ancient Greeks . I must once again comment about your falling in the trap of Sixties cliche, which tells me you were not among the right people or appreciating the books, music, and drug induced collective that was the unique contribution of the era by American and English youth and artists. Thanks for a great show. We were nothing like what passes for liberal or left in contemporary psychosis. I do find it sad that people like Jane Fonda retracted one of the better action statements against the War. No end to bullying by the thought control gangsters.
church made money testing drugs on the kids in their schools they sold peoples babys murdered millions drumed crap religion down my throught at school washed my mouth with soap controled common knowledge pure coward scum religion?
The catholic church and then the protestant sects have participated in political action since the emperor constantine recognized the catholic church as the state church in 312 ce. It has committed political murder as in the cathar genocide and then throughout the 605 years of the inquisition. The church has behaved as politically as do the muslims today. If they are persecuted it is in the realm of political war.
But what about the book The Irish Saved Civilization? The Catholics built it and the Irish saved it? So what happened to the modern Catholic and Christian churches when it comes to combating Islam? They've been losing for so long they have Stockholm Syndrome.
Pretty much everything scientific, philosophical or literary that came from the Arab Islamic world came from the Christian and Jewish dhimmi's that they had conquered and enslaved. After all the written language of Arabic wasn't even complete in the seventh century whereas Greek Hebrew Latin etc, were complete and thoroughly modern languages. It was until several centuries after the alleged existence of Muhammad did the Arabs come into their own intellectually. But Islam continues to be a growing destructive force in the world thanks to money from oil and help from the foolish white West
Excellent and important. The fight-to-the-death against the New Age Leftist Bigots continues. Waking up the snoozing "Centrists" to the existential peril facing our Graeco-Roman civilization is the challenge of our age.
Stefan: _"There are of course religions that throw away reason completely."_
That reminded me of these words from 15th century India after reading Islamic scripture the brilliant scholar had this to say to the Ghazi (Mughal leader); _"There are many mistakes and illusions in your scriptures. Their compilers, not knowing the essence of knowledge, gave orders that were against reason and argument."_ - (Sri Caitanya Caritamrita - Adi-lila 17.167).
theres several religious groups that facilitate illeagle immigration and activly fund leftist institutions , the catholic church , mormons , methodist just too name a few so organized religion is certainly an issue , but yes belief in god and an acceptance of its tennants definatly
and as for the church being tech advanced for its time , i guess thats one way of looking at it , i am sure that its not because they the churches crushed anything outside thier direct control leaving them the sole perveyors of writing and education and keepers of record ...
Stefan, I am a cliche too.
So, are you Catholic yet?
All roads lead to Rome is not a cliche reference to terrestrial surface travel. It is a reference to the search for truth. Specifically the true Church.
If Christ is who He claims to be, then logically, denominations are not legitimate.
Stefan said "Judeo-Christian" like so many others do. I honestly don't understand. Can someone help to explain to me the idea of how the "Judeo-Christian" expression is so common rather than just "Christian"? My understanding may be flawed, but Judaism doesn't just start with the Old Testament (Torah); and then therefore is a precursor to Christianity. Jews have the Talmud and all of the religious view and cultural norms that come from it. Whereas Christians have the New Testament and all of the religious views and cultural norms that come from that. As such, Judaism is as distinct from Christianity as Islam is distinct from Christianity. Yes, they all share the Abrahamic myth, but their interpretation is entirely distinct. So why do we act like two of them are the same, while the other is alien? Aren't all three alien? From what I can see, the culture and values of these communities are utterly distinct and the only overlap between Christians and Jews is that they happened to co-inhabit for longer. Can anyone explain why our values are referred to as "Judeo-Christian" or is it just a meme used for political correctness? I'm not trying to be a provocateur, I really just don't get it.
Something that makese shake my head about recent military history is we know the Generals that won WW2 and some that lost. But we know the names of the politicians that fought the wars since. And now we know Matis.
Read foxe's book of Martyrs!
Keep in mind the Catholic church has its own history of persecution against the reformers especially nasty was their favorite of burning at the stake! In addition I believe some of the reformers when the tides turned returnef the favor!
If we can free our world of the Shadow Governments and the Deep States...I do believe that we will have a renaissance. Due to the fact that the education is about defunct and has been for about 30 - 50 years people with any curiosity are thirsty for knowledge. Thank you for sharing your mind.
Interesting thing how the guy who talks about soviet russia beaing genocidal about the christian churches did not mention that more than half of the heads of the comunist party were infact jews or with jewish descent ! When you look in to that fact you the horrific things that have been done to the churches start to add up.
I am an older man, whom you referred to as 'silver hairs'. I and many of my friends love your channel. Perhaps you could knock off the worship of youth.
There would be no web without my generation. We who learned flow charting COBOL and FORTRAN. WE who have donated to more open sources that we can remember when they were just a concept. So, take it easy on us. We're a pretty tough bunch. But sometimes.......lol.
Stephan could you possibly do a special on the roots or history of atheism if that even a possibility? Ive gathered your stance on the subject over these years being a long time subscriber. I am for lack of a better term due to the current stigma associated with the word, an atheist, yet I pride myself being one that while i am no fan of any sort of organized religion, i do not advocate the total abolishment of any religion either. I also believe in the fact that if only on paper, we have the right to believe in and practice the religion of our choice. Some harm children i feel, but thats not the job of the gov to dictate that to us however. Now i have seen things tying atheism to movements like the communism revolution in russia, but does the roots of atheism go any further than that in history and have any positive places throughout history? If it was truly a construct of communism ect, it wont change my mind, i have my own personal reasons, just wondering if you team can discover anything else besides the norms associated with it. Hope you read this and take i to conssideration. Thanks Stephan
Any enlightend human beeing cannot follow anymore any religion nowadays!
It ALWAYS were idologies which brought horror to mankind! ... and guess what?!? ... religions are nothing else then idologies!
Churches are buildings symbolising an unbelievable lack of education with still much too many citizens ... would these read at least the bible, they could "see" themself what a bad philosophy christianity is ... it would wipe out all churches pritty quickly ... but they do not read ... still ... what a drama!
French Revolution...that was the first example of Bonapartism.
Bonapartism would later evolve. Both Lenin and Hitler were Bonapartists.
Strong nationalism.militarism and imperialism in Europe lead to catastrophe.
Europe is not Free.Its under total US surveillance and control.
Funny thing is that Europeans newer saw themselves as Western or Eastern.Just European.
East means China.Korea.Japan.
Middle East is Islamic contries.
West is Europe(til Ural mountains).
North east Russia is EuroAsia.
Stefan, you talk about the scientific contributions of the Catholic Church but fail to to add that these men were forced by an environment in that anything the church did not control it either destroyed or subjugated. Many brilliant men of the times went into the church because that was the only way they could even accomplish such innovations!!!! fear drove them to work in secret much of the time, whilst telling the institution what ever it was they wanted to hear. example thank you cardinal for buying the new telescope of course I'll find the star that appeared the night Jesus was born wow secretly I'm working on proving that the Earth revolves around the Sun. bad example but that happened all the time that kind of scenario. your guest is an idiot
part of why so many Catholics were killed and churches destroyed was because people hated them by the time of the Enlightenment into the early 18th century because of all the crap that they did. I feel it had little to do with the fact that they were all leftist scoundrels
oh, and Aldrich Hanson,...read a history book. Islam for as evil as it is didn't put the West Into the Dark Ages or cause it. they did that themselves. in fact the reason we ended up with the knowledge that we now have came from the preserved libraries in the east. if not for the Muslims of medieval times we would have lost vast amounts of knowledge and even then we still lost so much after things like the burning of the library in Alexandria and others like it much was lost. the Catholic church is also partly responsible for the lack of knowledge during the Dark Ages in that they persecuted people who tried to read or print their own books. knowledge is power and if it weren't for people like Wyclef and Martin Luther people would have stayed stupid a lot longer
I like Stefan and agree with almost all his videos but if he's going to call Spades, be fair about it. again he brings up tolerance and how the left is intolerant I hate the left but the Catholic church was one of the most intolerant and remains to be one of the most intolerant organizations in the world today. I guess I just never knew he was a Catholic
then he talks about materialism there is no other organization on earth that is more materialistic than the Catholic Church. if Jesus came back to life and took a look at the Vatican and all its gold and riches and I'm not even talking about now I'm talking about a few hundred years after its Inception he would have been horrified that they do all that and claim his name to say that they are the inheritors of the message of a man of poverty and yet live and bathe in complete and total opulence is sickening and Jesus would have found it sickening to Catholic should be ashamed even call themselves Christians in fact Jesus would have been crucified by the Catholics themselves had he come back because he would have chastise them as the Hypocrites that they are and seen them as Romans which they are they are Rome the pope being the Antichrist with his papal satanic order
he wants to talk about the atrocities that people committed against Christians and let's be clear by Christians what he means are Catholics what about the horrible atrocities that Catholics not Christians but Catholics specifically perpetrated upon millions of people worldwide during its time of dominance not to mention the fact that it's priests like to screw the boys
the problem with Catholics is that they're the only religion left on the planet except for Islam that just won't admit that it's Traditions come directly and survive from its Pagan predecessors. it continually tries to deny and Hyde that it's liturgies rights and even the clothing that it's Clergy Wear come directly from Pagan Rome and Pagan Roman tradition
I remember that when I learned that communist Russia first persecuted the christians because it felt they were evil and the state was the better father figure.
But then when Russia was failing in its power, it begged the Christians for support and turned around. Showing that such ideologies only work until you run out of people to take things from and run out of people to scare.
Then you need the people who believe in higher things and it didnt work because the state cant beat god.
I am not religious and I cant ever be, but I have come to see the value of it in reality, so I am torn on how to deal with this conundrum.
On the Immigration issue: At the end in the interest of a bigger picture, it seemed Tom Woods was talking about the Christian and Catholic Mexicans(North Americans) and Central and South Americans and Stefan was talking about mass Assimilation of purposely Refugeed populations who could never walk here and who are majority Muslim and from a totally different form of government and ideology. Let’s face it, though championed by the left, the hispanic people sharing our continent are natural born Conservative Christian Patriarchal people.
I do not think you will find someone who will make a reasoned argument for unvetted, open border, mass migration. Some base their advocacy on emotion. Others have motives they cannot defend. Of these, the short-sighted want voters and bigger government. The far-sighted schemers aim to reduce the majority of the population to a select elite that dominates a stone age ghetto class. They need the ghetto class as a flesh farm, gene pool, and for manual labor.
40:32 This is the point in the conversation where Stef lost him. Don't worry Stef you didn't lose *me*, in fact my ears perked up when you started talking about rebelling against fathers but realizing that we owe our fathers everything. It's an incredibly deep conversation.
What an absolute falsehood. The Catholic group is not the Christian Church. On the contrary, the catholic group killed Christians for too many years. So this idea that the catholic church contributed to civilization is a FAT LIE!!I am so shocked how you can come here and claim that Catholics are the victims..DISGUSTING!!!!
The Magyars (Hungarians) were not barbaric at all - the Christian state was established in 1000 by King Stephen - an Apostolic King who received the crown and the title from the Pope. The Crown is regarded still as "Holy" and a symbolic ruling power irrespective of kings. The Magyars are related to The Scythians and Huns - yes, great warriors who never went on the killing rampage for the sake of robbing or getting slaves.Correct me if i am wrong.
Mentioning Great Courses Company...I agree. There has been an obvious bias in many of their presentations. As a long time customer/consumer of their courses I have begun to limit them to topics of more subjectivity for entertainment and diverse perspective. Tread lightly seeking objectivity...and always observe the backgrounds of those presenting while considering their perspective. They are a wonderful resource.
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