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To afford a two-bedroom apartment, a worker making the federal minimum wage would need to work 122 hours a week. The current $7.25 an hour federal minimum wage is a starvation wage.
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Holly Petrilak (2 дня назад)
Sanders... YOU'RE INSANE.
mark haas (3 дня назад)
Let me pose a hypothetical question to anyone reading this who believes increasing minimum wage actually helps the poor. Suppose you have a cleaning company , and because of the intense competition, you operate on a razor thin budget. Out of 12 employees, three of them are women over 50 with poor English skills and one is a 60 year old male with a bad leg. but those 4 workers are willing to work for minimum wage which, depending on your state is $10.00 per hour. They can't work as fast as your other crew members and 3 can't even communicate directly with the clients, but because they are willing to work so cheap, you are happy to provide work for them. It is a mutually beneficial relationship. Now, imagine the minimum wage is raised to $15 per hour. You have a whole desk full of resumes, many are English speaking, YOUNG people. What do you do? Answer below this comment.
xavier71041 (3 дня назад)
If you raise the minimum wage then prices goes up.
G.I. Jo (4 дня назад)
thank u
AzNrAvEcHiLd6i9 (5 дней назад)
You people are selling yourselves short. Why not 50 trillion an hour? What are the economics behind $15...or did you pull it out of your ass because it sounded like a catchy Twitter hashtag.
ABOLISH AUTHORITY (5 дней назад)
Rent is high because we subsidize it via Section 8. If the average recipient gets $1,000 you can bet a Landlord will start his rent at that figure, even in the ghetto. Because of people like Bernie, rent prices remain sticky and the consumer loses their power. Also, thanks to Bernie and his Marxist delusion, we get the Federal reserve having to print trillions. As they print, those of us who actually work see our earned dollars get devalued.
Steve Fortuna (5 дней назад)
The problem will only get worse as cities are forced to raise property taxes as a result of the federal funding cuts brought on by Trump's giveaway tax breaks to the upper tenth of incomes. A Democratic president will have to lead an effort to repeal the tax cuts, or TARGET the super-rich with an excise or windfall profits tax. Personally I think capital gains should be taxed at a higher rate than wages instead of the other way around, and developers of apartment/condo complexes should also pay an 'impact fee' to the towns they're building in that would go toward building low income housing or homeless shelters. A $15 minimum wage is a basic first step in helping the middle class, but this is just the beginning. With a 3% unemployment rate, the nation's employers are just going to have to start paying a fair wage to Americans or else sell their businesses to someone who can make the numbers work. If this means America has $20 burgers and $100 jeans but anyone in the USA should be able to get enough calories to get them through the day healthily for an hour and a half of their work time. If we can't do that, then we are a 3rd Word Nation, like Senegal or Chad or Burundi, and should apply for help from the United Nations. Here in Hawaii, they're starting to build some tiny houses, 300 square feet, for individual homeless folks, complete with solar thermal and PV, in dense urban areas that used to be industrial parks. Larger 3 bedroom units are being built for homeless families, most of who work 2-3 jobs yet still can't afford to live in any 'free market' rental spaces. It's a slow, contentious, laborious process, but radical income redistribution is going to take decades before we right the economic imbalance that is dragging down economic growth. We also need to treat "supply side" economics with the same disdain as we treat "Marxist" economic theory, because results have shown for over a century that economies grow from the BOTTOM UP ----- consumer demand is the highest driver of productivity gain and job creation. Giving our money to a few rich mofos does NOT help the majority of society, nor does pumping that money into bombs, planes and weapons.
richard morris (6 дней назад)
U had barrack the house the Senate for two years Barry or barrack Obama not even e peep about raising the minimum wage
StealieSteve (6 дней назад)
richard morris U? Obama is just your repubs you dolt. Obama represents the rich, just like the Bush's, just like Reagan, just like Clinton's and just like Nixon and trump.
X yz (6 дней назад)
BERNIE FOR PRESIDENT NOW! NOW!! NOW!!!
My 2 Cents (6 дней назад)
You apparently don’t understand how supply and demand works. The best thing the government could do to help people get the housing they need is to deregulate the sector and take a hands off approach.
My 2 Cents (3 дня назад)
Rameel Ahmed The opposite is true. It was precisely government regulation, such as the Community Reinvestment Act, as well as Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae having an unlimited line of credit from the Treasury, that caused the 2008 financial crisis. I have a video on my channel explaining it if you’d like to learn more.
Rameel Ahmed (3 дня назад)
My 2 Cents Didn't that lead to an economic crash in 2008?
Donovan (3 дня назад)
Velana D. What? That’s exactly what I am saying. Supply and demand. The reason why we can’t build fast enough to keep up with the supply IS because of the regulations on the housing market. For example there is one in San Francisco that limits the height of some buildings, and other regulations that don’t allow new housing to be built on certain land because it’s too close to older historic settlements. The regulations ARE the cause of the housing crisis here in America.
Velana D. (3 дня назад)
What your country needs is not a deregulation as that leads to market speculations driving prices higher by creating bubbles. Your country simply needs more houses, thus increasing the supply and this will effectively lower the real estate prices. As long as demand is higher than supply, prices will continue to rise. So many EU countries can do it, but you're too occupied defending a government full of predatory capitalists.
Donovan (4 дня назад)
Stefany Flores oh really? Then tell me why these NON progressive policies like the SB 35 bill that was passed in California is finally helping to take some stress off the housing market. Even Jerry Brown out of all people are realizing that deregulation of the housing market is needed. Progressive policies just DO NOT WORK!
Thomas B (6 дней назад)
Read "Nickel and Dimed" The working poor is an American tragedy.
TheOffenda (6 дней назад)
https://youtu.be/9mjH1WhsrcQ
177SCmaro (6 дней назад)
Sense he cares so much and is such a wonderful, generous man, I wonder how many apartments Bernie has used his own money to rent these people because they need them so badly, or how many rooms he's given up in his mansions, before he started asking government to steal my money to pay for these people's apartments?
Rockyblack smith (5 дней назад)
"I never asked for or agreed to any such "priveleges"" Unless you've renounced your citizenship, you did. Any adult is free to renounce their citizenship and leave the nation. If you don't, you're accepting the package deal that comes with it.
177SCmaro (6 дней назад)
Rockyblack smith Everything you just wrote is not true. Government is not an "it" government is a group of people. And I never made any such agreement with any such group of people. I never asked for or agreed to any such "privileges". If I decided to buy you a car with a value of $30,000, probably a car you don't even want, and I showed up one day and gave you the car and told you that you must pay me $50,000, is that right? Would you accept that as rational and ethical? Would you call that a "privilege"? Now imagine I did the same thing but gave your neighbor the car and stuck you with the bill. That's, basically, what Sanders is advocating. Because, in that example, I have just done what government does. I made a unilateral decision which I am now imposing the cost and "benefit" on you without consulting you and without your consent so you can't reject what I did AND be consistent with what you just told me. And the statement "You don't want to pay taxes, leave." is a fallacy known as "Ergo decedo" or the "therefore leave" fallacy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ergo_decedo Responding to criticism by telling someone to "just leave" dose not address said criticism. Me "just leaving" doesn't then make taxation moral, taxation is still theft whether I leave or stay.
Rockyblack smith (6 дней назад)
The government doesn't steal anything. You owe that money to it for the multitude of priveleges your citizenship provides you. You don't want to pay taxes, leave.
neighborhood socialist (6 дней назад)
Minimum wage should be around $26 an hour today if it had kept up with the cost of living and inflation. Workers must unite or they will continue to be exploited.
StealieSteve (6 дней назад)
Jeff Bezos could house every homeless person in the USA and eliminate 🌎 hunger and still have 50B to live off but he doesn't because he's a maniac. He also doesn't pay his warehouse workers a living wage. The morbidly rich are ruining this country.
Whatever Imtold (2 дня назад)
Another Jimmy Dore fan, I presume :)
Android (6 дней назад)
I agree with the problem and its definition, but disagree with the solution. Yes, we need affordable housing - but not on the taxpayer's dime. Don't funnel taxpayer money into a "low wage" or "low income" housing. This isn't fair to people like me who aren't "low income" but still struggle to pay astronomically high rents. In my opinion, the best way to approach this is to find out why rents are so high - could it be high property taxes, forcing landlords to have a minimum rent they must charge? could it be that the price of housing is artificially inflated because the government is willing to subsidize this cost for some people (but not for others)? could it be government zoning laws are too strict and building permits are too expensive? Alternatively, companies can pay their workers more - with record-breaking profits and inflation across the board, workers wages have been comparatively low. Minimum wage laws may not be the best solution, but it is what we have now and we should increase the minimum wage as a start. Why socialize the losses (gov't paying for low income housing, medicaid, etc) but privatize the profits (not forcing companies to pay their workers a decent wage or provide common-sense health benefits)?
m. rude (6 дней назад)
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaa! If you have that much initiative, get a decent paying job like the rest of us.
Mom (7 дней назад)
hahahahaha get fucked 2 bedrooms? settle for one bedroom entitled fucks need to live in third world countries to understand true pain
AomiN (7 дней назад)
22 dollars/hour? less than 3 hours to buy a full priced video game, lucky bastards!
FrozenWolf150 (7 дней назад)
The US isn't the richest country in the world. There are a handful of billionaires, while half the country lives in poverty and the rest struggle to avoid falling into poverty.
Melanie S (4 дня назад)
Good point, and there is increased homelessness, people cannot afford to buy food and gas or bus fare if they do pay rent...its not getting better but worse. It might be luxury if you're third world but only a few have that luxury experience in the US the 10% of the population .
FrozenWolf150 (5 дней назад)
I suggest you stop gaslighting. I cited specific politicians and political parties who both downplay the problems in the country, and who have passed policies based on that ideology. You want to talk about agendas and narratives. Consider this agenda: the elites who run the country want to cut social programs in order to fund military spending and tax cuts for themselves. This has happened under Trump, Obama, Bush, Clinton, and so forth. If you need proof, look at any of the thousands of articles written about this. https://www.cbpp.org/research/federal-tax/the-legacy-of-the-2001-and-2003-bush-tax-cuts Since you obviously don't know, the policies of Bernie Sanders are not widespread beliefs held by the majority of elected officials. He is often the lone voice in Congress for populist left policies. So go ahead and scream about how this video represents the entire US government's point of view, even though the statements and policies of the Republicans and majority of Democrats prove the opposite is true. You preach about removing agency from Americans, but you won't even let them self-describe their own hardships because that conflicts with your existing notions. You would tell them they don't know what they're talking about when it comes to their own lives, because according to you, there's no way they're going hungry or living paycheck to paycheck. Repeating your lies over and over again does not make them true. You claimed you weren't basing economic class on monetary income, and then you did just that again. You failed to cite a single source and admitted you base all your claims on yourself. Your opinions are not hard facts, and your personal point of view does not define reality.
FrozenWolf150 (5 дней назад)
Your entire conspiracy theory, that the US government is exaggerating poverty to justify more government programs, has absolutely no basis in reality. The government is run by Republicans and corporate Democrats, who are vehemently opposed to expansion of social safety net programs to cover everyone. One detail you seem unaware of is that the official poverty rate according to the US Census Bureau is 12.7%, which is much lower than the 50% figure I cited. The US government is actually downplaying the level of poverty, to make it seem like they're doing a good job addressing the needs of the people. The Republicans and corporate Democrats have always wanted to cut Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid. Paul Ryan has long wanted to slash them, Obama put them up as bargaining chips in his budget. You have done nothing but invent a narrative that nobody is actually arguing, and then railed against that as if it proves you right. Furthermore, you repeatedly use the strawman that arguing for a social safety net, that society needs to do more to help the poor, treats people like helpless children. The truth is that working class people do already take responsibility for themselves, and the poor are among the hardest working people in the country. It's not uncommon for people to work 2-3 jobs to support themselves. You would characterize any government assistance as removing all personal responsibility from their lives. You have failed to provide a single source to support your claim that there is "almost no poverty" in the US. Unless you're referring to op-eds in Forbes, there are no sources or experts who would agree with that. The only thing you've cited is your own opinions, while dismissing all sources that say otherwise.
William Leigh Daniels (7 дней назад)
This needs to be spotlighted and disseminated the world over. I’m sick of hearing that it’s possible to survive. It’s not. Not anymore. Business has become king and people have allowed themselves to be voiceless for far too long and now there is almost no way to make it to financial security. You can’t pull yourself up by your boot straps the way you could have 20 years ago. The minimum wage is insulting but what’s worse is that people rely on politicians to make things better and they’ve shown us time and time again that they will not. How long do people have to pay their dues to get a decent-paying job? Working 2 and 3 jobs is not living, and working 2 and 3 jobs and still not making ends meet is a giant slap in the face. Then deplorables like Puzder fight to get the minimum wage dropped. Smh We gotta keep holding them accountable.
Shay Pewe (5 дней назад)
William Leigh Daniels Whether full-time work at minimum wage keeps a worker out of poverty depends on their family size and whether others in the household work. Someone who works full time for minimum wage and lives alone will earn above their poverty threshold. For single parents who work minimum wage, however, staying above poverty can be particularly challenging, even with full-time work Poverty is determined by the U.S. Census Bureau’s poverty thresholds. These thresholds, updated annually, determine how much income a household requires to meet basic needs, such as food and shelter. In 2016 in a household of two adults, a single full-time worker at minimum wage will earn only 94 percent of their poverty threshold of $16,070. A single parent with one child will earn 91 percent of their poverty threshold. This means that in order to have earnings above their poverty threshold, a single parent with one child, for example, would have to earn at least $7.95 per hour working full-time. At the current federal minimum wage of $7.25, this single parent would have to work at least 2,282 hours during the year, or an average of about 43.8 hours each week. The larger the family, the more hours of work are required to stay above poverty with a single minimum-wage income. A single parent working at the current minimum wage with two children would have to work at least 2,668 hours annually—more than 50 hours each week—to keep the household above poverty Don't have children before you get married, don't have children while working at a minimum wage job. Minimum wage jobs are entry level meant for the young, part time or semi retired worker, you are not supposed to try to have a life on a minimum wage job, you're supposed to build a life on a minimum wage job, learn a trade skill, familiarize yourself with technology, even those living in poverty in the us have the internet, almost all the information ever written is at your fingertips, BETTER YOURSELF AND GET A NEW JOB. is it easy, no, but nothing worth having is.
177SCmaro (6 дней назад)
If the minimum wage was dropped things would cost less, meaning that those people who work 2 or 3 jobs might only need to work 1. Which is better, being paid 15 dollars an hour but a gallon of milk costs 7 dollars or working for 3 dollars an hour an gallon of milk costs 1 dollar? Which scenario would those people be better off?
ALT CONTROL DELETE (7 дней назад)
Hector Diaz is a Russian bot
ALT CONTROL DELETE (7 дней назад)
"When injustice becomes justice resistance becomes every Americans duty to throw off all oppressors foren or domestic" Thomas Jefferson..
Craig Bartel (7 дней назад)
Ohh, but we always got money for fucking war . War = blank check Everything else = don't have the money ?
Karen Schumer (7 дней назад)
Most Americans are tired of this crony capitalism that the GOP is obsessed with forcing on America!!!! A recent poll showed that 53% of Americans are wanting to try something else that is fair to everyone living in America! That something else that people are wanting are what we believe that a President Bernie Sanders would bring!!!! BERNIE FOR PRESIDENT ------ 2020!!!!!!!!!
ABOLISH AUTHORITY (5 дней назад)
+Karen Schumer - The biggest American corporations mostly lean left, such as Apple, Google, Amazon, etc. The Democrat Party are the ones doing the cronyism the best. And the regressive left has even gone even harder left to straight on fascism. Obamacare is a good example of that. Obama forced everyone to buy his corporate buddies insurance or we are penalized. On top of that, he also gave those same crony pals trillions. Not to mention what he gave to green energy scams. As well as taking thousands of foreclosed Fannie Mae homes and selling them to his hedge fund pals for pennies on the dollar....
TheOffenda (5 дней назад)
Shay Pewe well said sir
Shay Pewe (5 дней назад)
Karen Schumer Capitalism, is more moral. The capitalist believes that people can make their own best decisions. This is the basis of the free market with millions of people making individual choices. Statists believe the common man is incapable of making good choices, so an elite must intervene and make choices for people. I thought you liberals were all about moral high grounds?
177SCmaro (6 дней назад)
TheOffenda True.
TheOffenda (6 дней назад)
Argumentum ad populum.. just because a majority support something doesn't make it right
Melanie S (7 дней назад)
Yes , thats so true the housing market is outrageous some places you need about 26-30 $ an hour to afford 2 br apt or else live with or rent from relatives. Theres a shortage of affordable housing and all of the housing going up is high end, how do they expect people starting out or lower income to afford it.
thrisbt1 (7 дней назад)
i'm all for deficit spending ...but on affordable home ownership (build your own home jobs program), NOT rent. i want the spending to go to The People, NOT the capital class. we also need an updated bill of rights.
thrisbt1 (5 дней назад)
modern version of FDR 2nd bill of rights
Shay Pewe (5 дней назад)
thrisbt1 Updated how?
Hugh Jass (7 дней назад)
Learn to be more responsible with your money and you will be able to afford your rent
merchantsailor (7 дней назад)
BERNIE LISTEN TO ME, you want to change things and get elected president, here is what I would do if I were you. Pull a page out of Trumps play book, no warning no news coverage, just call up the president of Venezuela and make a meeting with him to coordinate the re-entry of Exxon Mobil and Chevron and Citi Corp etc to save the venezeluan working class and poor by showing the world you can work within the system to use the existing system for the good of all, contact EXXON I used to work for them they would love the idea of going in and  fixing the oil infrastructure of the Venezeluan oil industry and show that you can bring the El Presidente and the Oil industry which is needed to make the oil infrastructure repairs and billions in investment to put it right, I see a big opportunity for you as an independent to show both parties how its done. Please try.
justgivemethetruth (7 дней назад)
The people who own homes and the people who rent them out want to make a killing off the people who need to buy and rent. They are called for obvious reasons the "rentier" class, and the less houses they can build the higher their profits it. That is the corruption of capitalism we have seen as inequality has grown so much. The planet is going to very soon become a torture chamber for most humans who live here if this goes on,.
177SCmaro (6 дней назад)
Yes I can. Can you even think?
justgivemethetruth (6 дней назад)
Can you even read?
177SCmaro (6 дней назад)
You don't know economics if you think what we have now in any way represents a free-market or what you call "capitalism". You're criticizing a quasi-socialistic mixed market economy as though it were free. That would be funny if it weren't so sad.
justgivemethetruth (7 дней назад)
The point is that companies in American as they are today could not exist if people were not kicked down and stomped on to be intimidated and extorted into working for virtual slave wages. Even if that was the way it has to be for some kind of economic reasons, which I do not believe, then there should be a cap on rich people's income and power. America is going down based on this corruption and the inhuman people who run the government and nod to each other about what is fair and set reality in AM radio shows. At least a few times Americans need to make the effort to be heard and vote. Why don't they vote? OR, do they vote and we just get a fake story about that vote? I honestly wonder?
ABOLISH AUTHORITY (2 дня назад)
+Whatever Imtold - Cool. Then let me have my imaginary freedom. I'm not the one trying to force my interpretation on you. But you and that asshole Bernie want to FORCE me. If I refuse to join your cult of collectivism, you punish me. You are fucking NAZIs and the very reason why I am armed. I won't be burning in your ovens.... You better wake the fuck up kid. You have been indoctrinated into believing some absolute bullshit. I have no issue if you simply fucked up your own life. But no, you and Bernie hurts everyone else. That's deranged. Keep your Socialist disease in your own life.
Whatever Imtold (2 дня назад)
ABOLISH AUTHORITY - seems to me you're the one who needs an education. 'There are none so hopelessly enslaved than those that believe they are free' Describes you perfectly, I think...
ABOLISH AUTHORITY (5 дней назад)
Socialism is slavery. Capitalism has liberated billions. Nobody forces you to work minimum wage. You chose that as your living wage. Otherwise you'd find a better job, educate yourself or start your own business. At least it's your choice. Socialism is always FORCE.
justgivemethetruth (7 дней назад)
I agree, but I never got a two-bedroom my whole like until I bought a house. I think it is fair to say people should be able to afford housing for me that means studio or 1br. It would be interesting to see a map that goes from 0, to counties where people can afford a 1BR, to counties where people can afford studios. Different types of housing solutions. Also, maybe listing the security of neighborhoods as well. Sometimes you can afford to live only in a place where the bullets are flying ... which should be unacceptable.
Olivia P (7 дней назад)
I know this is going to suck to hear, but sometimes you have to move when you get priced out of your local community. I reported the incel whom masks as a 'liberal' below. To address the beginning of his comment...California rent for single family homes is ~$4,000/mo. I've seen a North Carolina single family home near a 20k population town for rent as low as $300/mo. If you live in a $4k rent area or a town where the median home sells for like $800k and can't afford that shit, I'm in no way surprised. I can't. I can't afford to buy a home in my home town either. If you want to live in a big city, I hear Cleveland Ohio is pretty cheap. *In North Carolina, there is something called an ETJ (Extraterritorial Jurisdiction). I don't know if other states have it. It is a 1 mile diameter ring around every incorporated city in North Carolina. The $300/mo single family home was a 3 bed/1 bath inside of the ETJ.
The Everyday Liberal Show (7 дней назад)
what if you are priced out of everywhere? what then? living in caves you cunt?
Andrew Downsend (7 дней назад)
Learn a new skill like information technology, capitalism Works dumbasses but only for people who try...survival of the fittest is the way to go
The Everyday Liberal Show (3 дня назад)
Shay, Government programs/agencies should ALWAYS be viewed with a critical eye constantly. It's one of the prices we pay to have a representative republic like the one we have. Our government has been shown to be one of the most stable institutions every created compared to "private" companies which many of them fail one after another. The government has stayed to stable due to it's ability to change and be changed. It's not perfect, but you must understand that I don't like the idea of leaving everything to the "invisible hand" of market forces that answer to the highest bidder(s).
Shay Pewe (4 дня назад)
The Everyday Liberal Show But I won't claim your necessarily wrong, ubi is currently being tested in some nations and with the coming automation revolution, it may be needed. We shall see how it goes and if it proves successful, I'm not completely opposed, but other social safety net programs that it would make obsolete would have to go. I just hope you understand I'm only sceptical of the government's ability to solve problems, their track record is hit and miss.
The Everyday Liberal Show (4 дня назад)
Shay, And your concerns about the UBI of $1k/mo is simple. When and If the program is enacted there will be a need to have a ONE TIME payment of $3 trillion into the UBI fund. But that $3 trillion will be a one time thing. Most of that money will be recycled back into that fund by the end of the fiscal year. So the people on the middle to bottom of the income brackets will get most of the NET benefit. While those making more than $100k will get a net benefit of zero. Think of it this way. If I am the gov't and you are a super-rich, I pay you $12k/year. But at the end of the year, you give that $12k back. and your net benefit is zero, but you still got that payment throughout the year. If I am the gov't and you are near middle class, I pay you $12k/year. But at the end of the year, you give that $8k back and keep $4k of that to mildly supplement your income. If I am the gov't and you are making less than $30k/year, I pay you $12k/year. But at the end of the year, you keep all of that $12k to supplement your low-income. It'll be a smooth sliding scale of course after the $30k mark on how much is paid back to the gov't by the end of the year. That way most of the $3 trillion dollar UBI fund will be recycled back into the fund (and we'll need only $500-600 Billion a year to top the fund back off) while every adult citizen still gets that $12k/year or $1k/mo. See? It's kinda weird at first, but it's really quite nice after it sinks in.
The Everyday Liberal Show (4 дня назад)
Shay, I'm not saying stop all intervention. Just this rapid imperialist expansion. We have 20+ places where troops are, most are in Japan, Germany, South Korea and Italy. Do we REALLY need to have 20+ places that require our military presence? That and we've been in Afghanistan for 17+ years now. There's being prepared and then there is what we are doing which is overkill. In 1941 we were totally laxed, I'm not saying do that. But what we are doing is WAYYYY overzealous.
VoteGreen (7 дней назад)
I live in an apartment in Sacramento, CA. My carpeting is twenty three years old and will not be changed while I'm living here. There are no other apartments available and no where else to go. I'm thinking of leaving the country - it's too expensive to live here - anywhere.
Shay Pewe (5 дней назад)
VoteGreen Maybe in California. Really? There isn't one apartment available anywhere in Sacramento California? What about the rest of California? If America is too expensive for anyone they either suck with money or made really poor choices.
Karen Schumer (7 дней назад)
VoteGreen Move to Iceland.
Mark Kirn (7 дней назад)
How can CEOs buy yaghts and lawmakers if they paid a fair wage?
177SCmaro (5 дней назад)
Mark Not an argument. And I'm not even using fancy words, you're just a idiot who hasn't read anything.
Mark Kirn (5 дней назад)
177SCmaro See "Off" as in #&@k off... you're a troll and a moron who likes to pretend your you're smart by throwing around fancy words. You're doing this only to satisfy some sickness that Dr Phil probably could define better than I. Go play semantics with someone who gives a ... what you think.
177SCmaro (5 дней назад)
Mark Denying that I've made any points/arguments is very dishonest. You may disagree with them and I might even be wrong, but to pretend I haven't made and substantiated them is a lie. "Where is minimum wage enough to buy adequate housing?" I don't know what you mean by "adequate" as that's a very subjective term. Just one person or several living together and splitting the living expenses? You need to provide more information. That said, the overwhelming majority of people don't earn a minimum wage and most of those who do live with someone else (typically a teenager still living at home, etc.) so it's a fairly moot question. "Would you like me to go gather all the supporting documents and testimonials from the poor of how they struggle to afford housing and have it delivered to your home or office?" No. I'd like you to make an (principled) argument. You haven't done that yet. "I mean, my life's goal is to convince you that it sucks being poor..." Strawman. I never said it does or doesn't suck to be poor. Also, this isn't a "life goal". You put this out here and someone challenged you on it. If you weren't prepared to defend your claims you should not have made them and you have always been free to end this conversation at any time. Don't cry to me that you're just so put upon given the above. "BTW, we're you being sarcastic with that web link on the bottom of your "comment" or was that just a typo?" Neither. It was just the first thing that popped up explaining the fallacy you committed. Note that we aren't even talking about the subject I challenged you on. See also "red herring".
Mark Kirn (5 дней назад)
177SCmaro All you've done is waste our time. You've made zero points, supported zero or your claims, proven your own biases repeatedly and run around in circles being a hypocrite. Where is minimum wage enough to buy adequate housing? What other economic systems do you have experience in? Would you like me to go gather all the supporting documents and testimonials from the poor of how they struggle to afford housing and have it delivered to your home or office? I mean, my life's goal is to convince you that it sucks being poor since a clue is obviously out of reach for you? BTW, we're you being sarcastic with that web link on the bottom of your "comment" or was that just a typo? Twit
177SCmaro (5 дней назад)
Mark No argument demonstrating anything you've said is true or that anything I've said is not true. And this video presented no statistics, no citations, just a number of unsubstantiated claims. It's not that I don't agree or disagree, it's that this stuff is being put out there without any evidence or actual argument, it's just stuff they're pulling out of their ass and preaching to people like you to confirm your biases and you swallowed it hook, line, and sinker. They are trying to manipulate/appeal to your emotions. In other words, this video is propaganda and you fell for it. And you discredited yourself the moment you chose to respond with sarcasm rather than anything rational, thoughtful, etc. You didn't need my help to that end. And accusing me of muddying the waters and misrepresenting you, again with zero evidence or explanation of how this is the case, is also not an argument showing anything I've said is untrue or that anything you've said is true. You're, basically filibustering here. You have expended time, words, and effort, but you're not saying anything, you are no closer to answering the question or addressing anything I said then when you started. In that sense, it's you who is going in circles and you're either projecting that onto me, or just simply accusing me of what you're doing. Your entire reply is nothing more than a tu-quoque fallacy - you answered criticism with criticism as a way of evading having to address the points I made. (see: https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/tu-quoque )
Karen Schumer (7 дней назад)
Seriously people, we MUST elect Bernie Sanders as our next president and give him a democrat majority in congress so we can stop these tax giveaways to big corporations and give it to those who actually work for it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ABOLISH AUTHORITY (5 дней назад)
+Karen Schumer - Ah yes, because all animals are equal but some are more equal. I sure wish I made $30 million the last 40 years doing hardly any work like Bernie has done. I'm so certain he'll share one of his summer homes when I come a knocking, right?.... The only way I would ever vote for that Commie is with a bullet.
177SCmaro (5 дней назад)
Karen Schumer Yes, we'll all be equally poor together. Can't wait.
Karen Schumer (5 дней назад)
Abolish Authority I will vote for Bernie, and you should vote for him too. No more class warfare under his watch. Everyone will be treated the same!
ABOLISH AUTHORITY (5 дней назад)
The Day Bernie the Russian Commie becomes my President is the day I give up my life to become a terrorist and kill the old asshole bastard. I will NEVER become his slave. Fuck you Nazi douchebags. We saw what you regressive leftists did the last 100 years. 100 million dead because of your derange dogma.
177SCmaro (6 дней назад)
Karen Why not just lower taxes for everyone and cut out the middle man then? What sense does it make to take money off someone (taxation) then give (less of it) back to them? Or, better yet, do the ethical thing and make taxation voluntary i.e. you only pay for the services you use?
Edgar Rey (7 дней назад)
At least they have a minimal wage truck drivers don’t even have that and we work 70 hours a week plus the time we aren’t paid for being alway from home if this law goes through what will happen with the other people who went to school for a career making 15.00 this unfair and people need to stop making poor decisions
The Everyday Liberal Show (7 дней назад)
like you working for a rip-off operation that doesn't pay you minimum wage cause you can't get your shit together?
Kyle Ruth (7 дней назад)
This is a terrible argument to raise the minimum wage. People shouldn’t care if you can’t afford an apartment on the minimum wage if you are being paid what you are worth. You should raise the minimum wage because people are not paid what they are worth especially at the lower end. Minimum wages do not correspond with productivity.
Kyle Ruth (19 часов назад)
Shay Pewe Actually with the earned income tax credit if you work full time on minimum wage you are guaranteed to be above the poverty line.
Kyle Ruth (4 дня назад)
The Everyday Liberal Show if they aren’t worth a living wage then no that would kill jobs and cause unemployment. Thankfully minimum wage workers are worth a living wage because their productivity is $19/hr
Kyle Ruth (4 дня назад)
177SCmaro um no productivity should determine what someone’s job is worth. Average minimum wage worker is worth $19/hr, therefore it should be raised.
Shay Pewe (5 дней назад)
Kyle Ruth Whether full-time work at minimum wage keeps a worker out of poverty depends on their family size and whether others in the household work. Someone who works full time for minimum wage and lives alone will earn above their poverty threshold. For single parents who work minimum wage, however, staying above poverty can be particularly challenging, even with full-time work Poverty is determined by the U.S. Census Bureau’s poverty thresholds. These thresholds, updated annually, determine how much income a household requires to meet basic needs, such as food and shelter. In 2016 in a household of two adults, a single full-time worker at minimum wage will earn only 94 percent of their poverty threshold of $16,070. A single parent with one child will earn 91 percent of their poverty threshold. This means that in order to have earnings above their poverty threshold, a single parent with one child, for example, would have to earn at least $7.95 per hour working full-time. At the current federal minimum wage of $7.25, this single parent would have to work at least 2,282 hours during the year, or an average of about 43.8 hours each week. The larger the family, the more hours of work are required to stay above poverty with a single minimum-wage income. A single parent working at the current minimum wage with two children would have to work at least 2,668 hours annually—more than 50 hours each week—to keep the household above poverty Don't have children before you get married, don't have children while working at a minimum wage job. Minimum wage jobs are entry level meant for the young, part time or semi retired worker, you are not supposed to try to have a life on a minimum wage job, you're supposed to build a life on a minimum wage job, learn a trade skill, familiarize yourself with technology, even those living in poverty in the us have the internet, almost all the information ever written is at your fingertips, BETTER YOURSELF AND GET A NEW JOB. is it easy, no, but nothing worth having is.
Eric Jensen (7 дней назад)
This is happening because stupid voters are easily brainwashed into believing that mid size companies to large corporations can't afford it because of "high taxes". There is also the problem of first generation decent income earners who think nobody could possibly have had it any worse then they did. Their parents may have voted for Kennedy, Johnson, Carter etc. but have now got suckered into voting on issues like abortion and gay marriage. Hence they vote against their own economic interests. These people grew up on television, never read books or listened to a word their priest or pastor said
Сергей Л. (7 дней назад)
"It is unacceptable in a country as rich as ours. .." ha ha ha, just look at your country debt. Your country in poorest in the world! Welcome to reality!
177SCmaro (6 дней назад)
And it's our children who will pay for it. Thanks government.
Video Archives (7 дней назад)
never Bernie people, are worse than Trump supporters. because at least Trump supporters stand for something, never Bernie people are just 40 to 50 year old women who is cunts are dry because Hillary lost, so they stand against everything. They stand against progress.
The Everyday Liberal Show (6 дней назад)
So we didn't have medicare? The highways weren't just being built? And I didn't contradict myself, I said we need to stop spending money on endless wars and regain political will to invest in our infrastructure. and that includes ourselves. And I said that we are HEADED for worse economic times if we keep going down the road we are now. But you are right about welfare being a trap right now. There is a solution to end poverty, provide some financial security to all adult citizens AND save tons of money by doing so compared to what we are doing now.
177SCmaro (6 дней назад)
The Everyday Liberal Show wow, almost nothing you just wrote is true. Yes, the economy and society was far more stable back then then it is today (we didn't have 20 trillion in debt and 100 trillion in unfunded liabilities thanks to government yet, and we were not the verge of a social, civil war thanks for social justice warriors race and class bating, etc. in the 50's). Income inequality (which no one has ever been able to rationally explain why it's bad that Bob down the street earns more money that I do i.e. our income is unequal) and poverty are both largely results of government regulation and the "welfare state", which, since it's inception, poverty has increased significantly. It was a problem that the mostly, at the time, free-market was steadily solving year after year until government intervened. Now, for example, a single mom has to make nearly 60,000 per year to earn more then she would receive altogether from the various welfare programs. That is a terrible trap to be in. The highway system was only just recently paid off. And who is to say the market might not have come up with something better had government not forced us to pay for a highway system that was built for military purposes. The reason things got better after WWII was the huge number of young men returning from the war and industry shifting away from war-products towards consumer products. The idea that infrastructure spending had anything to do with it is like saying that if you're bleeding to death taking blood out of your right arm and putting it into your left arm while spilling a bunch along the way will save your life. You also just directly contradicted yourself. If government spending other people's money on infrastructure = economic prosperity and we're no longer spending money on infrastructure and it's crumbling our economy should be doing much worse then it was in the 50's, not better. infrastructure spending is taking other people's money, by force, that could have gone to far more economically productive things and spending it on roads while wasting a bunch of it in the process due to government's well-known inefficiency. You're only half right about growing our way out of debt as we NEED to cut spending too. If we don't this albatross of ever-growing debt has and will stifle economic productivity to the point it will be impossible to grow our way out of it, if it's not too late already. The one point you are correct about it sending money on wars is wasteful (along with horribly immoral to be bombing people who are not attacking us. Bill and Hilary Clinton, Bush, Obama, and now Trump, among others, are all guilty of this.)
The Everyday Liberal Show (6 дней назад)
177Scmaro, No it was not back then compared to today. Things were better back then as far as being out of the great depression, but not at the levels we are at today, but that is changing fast due to rising income inequality as well as growing poverty. Medicare didn't exist then, Many welfare programs didn't exist then, Highways were just being built (by gov't funding). And the reason things got better after WW2 is due to increased spending by the government into the national infrastructure that is largely crumbling today due to political neglect. And we can always grow our way out of the debt if we didn't spend endless money on endless wars.
The Everyday Liberal Show (6 дней назад)
Video, you got some weird fantasies dude...no thx :D
Video Archives (6 дней назад)
The Everyday Liberal Show -- suck my dick from the back.
Robin Fielding (7 дней назад)
This may be a step in the right direction. Cause minimum wage no matter how high it is is never enough. Prices just go up with it and leave people out in the cold. And it leaves people who make more out if their employers who are paying them more only boost them to minimum wage if it goes higher then what their getting paid? Now you got more that cant pay rent. How do I know? It happened to me in LA. You can get trapped in a crap job.
Robin Fielding (7 дней назад)
Im only telling you how i ended up homeless the third time in California. How much is rent their now? I moved to Minnesota for a better life i make 12.65 pay 925 month in rent if they raise minimum to 15 rent goes up and im homeless in this state making minimum wage im to old for that shit now and in this state it freezes over. People with money try to help but you screw alot more people up and have no understanding why. Like ACA i cant afford it 60 years old they want 300 a month older Americans that work got left out. So now i have to pay fines. But you have money so you don't under stand. I want Bernie to know our story. I love Bernie but before he dose something he needs to cover all the bases. So no one gets left out like ACA did.
Karen Schumer (7 дней назад)
Robin Fielding Bernie as president needs to raise the minimum wage to $15 and hour, then enact price controls!!!!! I am so ready to vote for Bernie, I can taste it!!!!!!!!!
Shan Santee (7 дней назад)
Robin Fielding.. That's a failed capitalism!
Mitchell Krouth (7 дней назад)
30 dollars a hour is a good start
Mom (7 дней назад)
LOL
Dan Dwyer (7 дней назад)
Quick way to find yourself without a job!Karen Schumer most uniteligent thing ever said in a while!
brandon marsters (7 дней назад)
Karen Schumer it will be nice if you can spell my name right its not brian its brandon marsters and how is raising prices on store items a good thing it makes it more expensive to buy so your point ok lets raise the wage to 30 an hour then you can afford it thats wrong yes the wage should be livable but not at that level that will kill jobs and cause unemployment bottom line is raise the wage in steps so the economy can asorb the cost to hire the employee
Karen Schumer (7 дней назад)
Brian masters All they need to do is raise the price of the products they sell, then they can afford to pay the $30 and hour.
brandon marsters (7 дней назад)
At 30 dollars an hour that will kill the small business and like mom and pop yes i agree that we need a living wage that is gradually phased in so it wont kill jobs and yes we do need more affordable housing like sec 8 bottom line is i do agree with parts of Bernie Sanders ideas but raising taxes by 90 percent is not the answer we do need a good safety net for the poor and homeless but at the same time i don't want this country to be socialist or communist ideology that takes freedom and prosperity resources away like high taxes that just punishes the poor
Hector Diaz (7 дней назад)
They should like, get better jobs.
Shay Pewe (5 дней назад)
clockwork914 For a tolerant liberal, that was a blatantly racist stereotype.
Finite Credibility (6 дней назад)
The OP smells like irony. I bet Mr. Diaz knows full well, that there are no better jobs and that such advice is moronic. But it's fun to trigger people, who can't handle the internet. Well done, sir.
ALT CONTROL DELETE (7 дней назад)
Hector Diaz FUCKING chilly choking pepper belly bitch.
ALT CONTROL DELETE (7 дней назад)
Hector Diaz Too bad people like you are the equivalent of human SHIT,and everyone knows you can't polish a turd. LMFAO 😂 💯 SIMP
ALT CONTROL DELETE (7 дней назад)
Hector Diaz You should like, drink some draino.
Paul Gorman (7 дней назад)
Im used to 60 hour work-weeks with a roommate in every room. Unless we wanna pile in like a racial stereotype.
Video Archives (7 дней назад)
Primalxbeast *he
Primalxbeast (7 дней назад)
Video Archives Not me, the other person.
Video Archives (7 дней назад)
Primalxbeast -- ohh you had 2 jobs. my bad
Primalxbeast (7 дней назад)
Video Archives Any state if you work more than 1 job.
Video Archives (7 дней назад)
Paul Gorman in What state were you able to work 60 hours?
Primalxbeast (7 дней назад)
And then they want to criminalize homelessness. I just live in my car. What's the point in working your butt off to make more money for companies that are already obscenely rich?
tpandw (1 день назад)
Pewe-You sound like a Jeff Bezos wannabe........what can't get the minions to slave for you?........sick of your Koch Brothers propaganda bs.........10% have 90% of everything and 90% have 10% of nothing...get your head out of your a**.....
Shay Pewe (5 дней назад)
Nathaniel Stewart Coming from a fellow who can't disprove anything I said, I'm right. And not that I owe you an explanation, I'm on a cell phone, it was more efficient to copy my original post than it was to re-write it.(bet anyone with a brain would do the same) Just because I'm making the same point on multiple threads doesn't make me a troll, I'm only a troll if i get proven wrong and continue to push the same narrative. Neither you or anyone else has done that. You're the troll, if not, show me how my post was wrong. Anything else?
Nathaniel Stewart (5 дней назад)
Shay Pewe I just did. You copy and pasted a comment because you didn’t care. Unless are you going you didn’t copy and pasted your comment? Anyway I’m done commenting here. A lot of people see the message here so I don’t think I have to worry. Really though if you’re going to make a simple argument don’t copy paste your comments. It makes you look like a one trick pony.
ABOLISH AUTHORITY (5 дней назад)
+Primalxbeast - Most employees are at small businesses. Many of those business owners are not even making a profit. Yet they take a loss and still find a way to pay your entitled ass. Also, criminalizing homelessness is something the regressive left does. They are the ones trying to control everyone and creates these absurd laws.
Shay Pewe (5 дней назад)
Nathaniel Stewart P.s. It's called living within your means. If you can't afford to live there don't. You wouldn't buy a car you couldn't make the payments on would you? Why live in a place you can't afford?
Jay Rasmussen (7 дней назад)
Ben Sasse would have you have a 50 dollar dinner at a rotary club will that help jk jk but that's a real idea of his
Jay Rasmussen (7 дней назад)
Ben Sasse has a book you seen that thing it's about a guy that believes in god telling other people to grow up lmao
goolgappa5 (7 дней назад)
I work 100 hours per week ..now cannot pay my credit card bill .... UBER SPOILED ....IT SHOULD BE SAME PRICE AND ALL LICENCES .. WE PAY YEALY 7000 INSURENCE . WE HAVE TACI LICENCE THEY DO NOT HAVE IT .. WE PAY 100 FOLLAR A DAY TO COMPANY THEY DO NOT IT'S NOT FAIR COMPETITION ... THEY SHOULD BE UNDER TAXI LAW THEY ARE TAXI COMPANY .... PER MILE AND MIMINUM BASE SHOULD BE SAME .. THEY CAN FLOOD THE MARKET BECAUSE EVERY PERSON IN CITY CAN BE A UBER DRIVER ....WE CAN ONLY PUT SO MANY TAXI THROUGH CITY ... Uber driver has to pay nothing from his pocket all the taxi company they have to pay from their pocket and Uber driver can just work only one hour make $10 go home we have to work minimum of 8 hours to break even and then whatever we make is yours they have to put the legal limit on Uber drivers and everybody has to be in the taxi and limousine commission has to be all the taxi license finish the taxis pulled over in there or finished over to the taxi in there and there should be limit in one city and the thousand people should have this many docks in the city so at least taxi drivers can make money if they put a hundred thousand citizens in a CD and put $90,000 nobody will make money only the company make money so people are saying UBER ...is good.... only working for the company
RenegadeGamer (7 дней назад)
How is this even justified? In a developed nation, for crying out loud?
The Everyday Liberal Show (7 дней назад)
HM Fitness...you like fitness? How about fitten-this-dick in your mouth??? ya cock sucker
RenegadeGamer (7 дней назад)
HM Fitness Lel, nice strawman. They should at least make enough to survive.
Ziggy Snoot (7 дней назад)
The Richest developed nation at that
Xichayle (7 дней назад)
HM Fitness nobody said fast food workers should be millionaires retard. At least give them enough to keep up with rising costs.
Nathaniel Stewart (7 дней назад)
HM Fitness Again straw man.
goolgappa5 (7 дней назад)
30 dollars an hour ...
177SCmaro (5 дней назад)
What could possibly go wrong?
HM Fitness (7 дней назад)
40 hours a week? I worked that when I was 16! Quit being lazy!! It’s Nerd Bash 2018 and No Nerd is Safe!!! #NerdBash2018 #Myhatersareallvirgins
Shay Pewe (5 дней назад)
Nathaniel Stewart Coming from a fellow who can't disprove anything I said, I'm right. And not that I owe you an explanation, I'm on a cell phone, it was more efficient to copy my original post than it was to re-write it.(bet anyone with a brain would do the same) Just because I'm making the same point on multiple threads doesn't make me a troll, I'm only a troll if i get proven wrong and continue to push the same narrative. Neither you or anyone else has done that. You're the troll, if not, show me how my post was wrong. Anything else? P.s. You know what I did.
Nathaniel Stewart (5 дней назад)
Shay Pewe You’re obviously not listening. Not gonna even bother with you.
Shay Pewe (5 дней назад)
Nathaniel Stewart Whether full-time work at minimum wage keeps a worker out of poverty depends on their family size and whether others in the household work. Someone who works full time for minimum wage and lives alone will earn above their poverty threshold. If you rent two bedroom apartment on minimum wage and can't afford, get a roommate, move, find a better job. If you stay there because "this is where I want to live" Than obviously your parents never taught that you don't always get what you want.
Nathaniel Stewart (5 дней назад)
Shay Pewe Again what’s it with you people and strawmanning ? The point is that to afford a two-bedroom apartment you’d have to work 122 hours a week on minimum wage. NOT to raise a family with family expenses. YOU decided to add that part.
Shay Pewe (5 дней назад)
Nathaniel Stewart I direct you to my other response.

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