Let's take a look at whole grains and whole foods. What benefits towards health do they offer and which grains are better for you. Let's talk to the experts..
Panel Participants: Brian Clement, Ph.D., L.N., Anna Maria Clement, Ph.D., L.N., Pamela A. Popper, Ph.D., N.D., Julieanna Hever, M.S., R.D., C.P.T., Garth Davis, M.D.
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I believe the amount of a molecule that piles up in your lymph system co-determines the likelyhood of programming an immune cross-reaction that will then also harm tissues of your body, like brain or cartilage. The amount and frequency of consumption plays into it but also the rate of absorption, which depends on the food preparation. People don't usually react to a food like soy the first time they eat it in their life, but after one or two weeks of accumulating processed soy in the body. Cross-reactions (allergies) come and go with the fill-state of the lymph system and it's silly to speak as if a fixed percentage of the population has a certain allergy, when the immune system is continuously re-programmed and reacts to not just one food but all foods that are accumulated in the immune system at once - meaning the more different kinds of offending proteins you have in your diet, the more cross-reactions you get, the more likely those reactions also attack the body itself - for example, if you take dairy out of the diet, many other food sensitivities and allergies to insect bites will typically disappear or be reduced. I believe that finely milled dust and water and oil are the best way to bypass all digestive enzymes and dump food particles directly into the blood. You get dusty particles in pasta products, red or yellow lentils or peeled mung beans, in soy granular products and so on. I still have not seen sufficient science on the various causes of leaky gut but it would be naive to assume that only a minority of people is affected by leaky gut or that there even is a single gut that is impenetrable to a trojan horse like oil. Ever heard of how black pepper increases the absorption rate of kurcuma? What else is accidentally absorbed while the liver is hit by odd substances? How does salt affect absorption?
So Garth likes fruits and vegetables, but people get hungry. So...grains? 1% of population is celiac, yet if you watch Greger you learn that there is a bell curve. So lots of people aren't celiac yet can have problems. These guys are all over the place, spewing little personal opinions. Don't eat apple sauce? Jesus.
Brian Clement seems like a hardcore quack. His institute has probably helped a lot of people I’m sure but his whole vibe is just off. He said “ well if we’re gonna talk about science ...” like yeah what else would you be talking about? Nonscience? Made up bullshit? Dudes very questionable.
One of the big difference with Bryan and Ann Marie Clements is they see the sickest of the sick people at Hippocrates health Institute. Over 50% of the people that stay there for a three-week stretch have life-threatening and life altering illnesses. I stayed there for a total of six weeks and can attest to the fact that their diet completely transform myself and the people around me within their individual three week stays. Their experience is quite different when it comes to eliminating gluten, because of course they are seeing people whose health is on the brink of disaster
I so agree with Garth's last sentiment. 100% all in, is the way to go. So many times, I always see and hear so many of these professionals handle people with "kid" gloves. I know most of them do it as an ode to their population of clients, but the proverbial "line in the sand" and going ALL the way into something, I believe is the way to go. Success can be reached at the highest level and there is such a thing as re-writing your habits. Cold turkey, may not be for everyone, but elimination and replacement, has (as a personal anecdote) worked for me. There have been many foods I have denied "cold turkey" and have replaced them with nutrient dense counterparts. People are capable of doing so. It starts with education and a "want to" attitude.
Quinoa is not a grain!!!! It's a seed? Wtf. Please do not trust these people. I can't believe these legal drug pushers are saying its ok to eat gluten. These people are criminals. You can't trust their studies because they are all in it together to deceive the public. If you take gluten out of your diet your health changes dramatically. I can't believe how wicked these people are. Wtf
Sorry doctors here in Africa we don't have some of the grains you mentioned but wheat we have. l will be so happy to hear about sorghum and millet because that's what we're eating and feeding our children with especially in the morning we make sorghum or millet porridge with peanut butter and a bit of lemon juice.Waiting to hear from you.
Brian is spot on. Modern gluten cannot be digested by the human body. We don't have the enzyme to digest it. Also, gluten causes your intestines to let in toxins that would not otherwise be let in. The book that they are referring to is Wheat Belly, or Undoctored by William Davis. I would definitely recommend reading Undoctored if you want information about grains and mainstream "health" care. Sad that two panelists won't even acknowledge that gluten is even somewhat unhealthy for us. Makes you wonder if they're paid, or if they are blind to the facts because of their belief system. Again, Brian is spot on.
All whole grains are good for you. ALL of them. Quinoa, teff, millet, amaranth, etc. (quinoa and amaranth aren't technically grains but for all practical purposes are) are all great. Eat them if you like them. But there is really nothing special about them that makes them superior to more conventional, common grains like wheat, brown rice, corn (maize) oats, barley, etc. They are all great my friends. I hate it when people try to say that you have to eschew corn, wheat, and rice in favor of teff, millet, and quinoa. That just reeks of hippie-dippy elitism and there is really no science behind it.
I think the Clements are talking to a different type of customer -more able and willing to make a change...I mean, teff is $5/lb. Millet maybe $4/lb. Quinoa $3/lb. Popper and Davis customers are paying you know a buck per pound, and if they're going to spend $3 per pound then they are going to go buy chop meat.
johnny roe I should say that I have since learned that they do know what they’re talking about, it’s just their approach as health institute directors is much harder and stricter than other plant based doctors. It’s a sort of 10x the effort for 10% better results situation.
I take different advice bits and fit them into my diet. I freeze all my smoothie ingredients-veggie and fruits-add yogurt and juice. Then raw veggies and fruits, nuts. When I cook I use butter and I also still eat ice cream. She's right, there's no one size fits all. No meat however is magic, took time to work into but man it works. Not meaning to lose weight, losing weight.
And how one woman said some people can handle gluten because they don't eat processed foods broadly. I can handle gluten for that reason.
most of these people dont know what the hell are talking abaut//grain and ht carbs feeds parasites teast funggus and cancer.. plus gluten destroy your gut...celicac deseice //what u need is enzymes for every thing..and u are forggering somthing ;;;we are diferent humans type of bloods
Celiac is the last straw is starts with gluten sensitivity then gluten tolerance then celiac but it takes years hybridized gluten it’s not meant for human consumption so consume the ancient grain look up Dr. Sebi food list
Bigtime agreement on the pizza thing, I was raised ovo-lacto veg and really ate a mostly bread/cheese diet and often felt like shit. Once I went WFPB I started cooking for real and eating a wider variety of foods and felt better in short order. Especially when I was breaking my fast with a smoothie with kale and beets from my garden as well as all sorts seeds, nuts, fruit, whatever healthy stuff I could find. Tastes amazing and I FELT amazing! Then winter came and I don't trust store produce so it's pretty much down to frozen organic broccoli since the stores don't have frozen organic kale where I am. Can't wait for fresh baby beets with their greens, they make everything taste incredible. Going to get into parsley big time this season. Can't believe I hadn't previously been into this incredible green. Randomly put some on some vegan nachos with madras curry sauce, black beans, and sliced cherry tomatoes and diced green beans from the garden and they were the best fucking nachos ever. Missed the texture of cooked cheese and how it holds everything together, but the flavors in these nachos were superior. The parsley really brought in a huge part of that wonderful flavor.
Since then I've tried vegan cheese and that would add in that binding effect just fine and they make a decent pizza. Yeah, not quite as good, but good enough in relation to how the dairy industry forces pregnancy on female beings, kills their baby males, and kills the females when they aren't producing well anymore. That's just so seriously fucked up, haven't had any pizza at all since changing last fall.
I don't fully agree with the bit on willpower. I've been intermittently fasting almost every day for 5 years. That is a daily exercise in willpower. I don't worry about being super strict about it, a 14-20 hour window is fine. It has gotten easier over time so it's not like I had to maintain the same level of willpower as at the beginning. But it does still require some, there's usually a few waves of hunger to be dealt with. Perhaps we simply don't practice it often enough as society since all sorts of inflated physical and mental pleasures are immediately available and we're practicing giving in instead of being our inner strength. If I slip with something I'm trying to control, like junk food or alcohol intake, I don't give myself any shit for it. I enjoy those few drinks or that bag of chips and then move right back into my usual flow.
Pamela Popper is a class act and the only person on this panel I would wish to consult on dietary issues. Garth Davis seems to have a problem finishing a simple phrase or sentence without starting a new one. Brian Clement I wouldn't trust giving me the right time nor do I feel his ridiculous bullwonkey has ANY credibility. His pompous and pedantic posture is totally repulsive. Just my humble opinion.
Natufian Grain Harvest Okinawans consume pork fat with ear stew on a regular basis. The idea that purple yam constitutes the majority of the diet is just one of many studies and was soon replaced by other geographical studies. I don't support factory farming, I buy all my eggs (pasture raised) from local farms, I drink raw milk from grass fed cattle and sometimes drive up to an hour out of state. When I do consume meat, I buy only organic and certified humane. I haven't touched fast food in over 2 years. It is safe to say that not only is my diet far superior than most vegans (gluten, soy, mock meats and cheeses, boxed foods, processed sugar, phyto-estrogens, breads, boxed cereals) but far more enviromentally sustainable. I consume more vegetables than any vegan I personally know of. You fail to realize that there is no ideal human diet. Your doing great with minimal to no animal products. Good for you. For me, it only lead to gut dysbiosis and andrenal fatigue. I cured it with raw milk, yes RAW milk works wonders for people that had similar imbalances like me. I've been there, tried every single fad diet. Even fruitarianism at some point. I currently eat a whole foods diet and has worked wonders for me. I'll stick to what has been clearly working up until now. This includes animal products. Thanks
Asael The 2nd longest lived people on the planet are the Okinawans. Their diet is almost all sweet potatoes with some rice. They do eat a small amount of meat but it's only about 1 or 2 percent of their diet. The only group who lives longer are the California Seventh Day Adventists, and they are 100% vegan. You absolutely don't need meat. There is no evidence to the contrary. You can get by with a certain amount of it and still be healthy but the less you eat the better, so I just avoid it completely. I don't eat plant-based over any kind of hippie-dippy ideology. I do think it's better for the environment and kinder to the animals. If you have any kind of heart you can't be OK with factory farming. That said, I actually don't think it is morally wrong to eat meat per se, I just think it's unhealthy, and all the evidence points to that.
Natufian Grain Harvest I agree on the adeherance to a whole foods omnivorous diet for optimal health. I can see how the seeds of grasses from 30 000 years ago may have been completely different compared to your typical "whole wheat bread" found in the supermarket shelves today. However, to exclude all animal products from ones diet because of an ideology, ignoring the potential health risks of doing so, is plain foolishness in my opinion.
Asael Not grass, we can't digest grass--grass SEEDS, i.e. grains. We've been eating grains WAY longer than the Paleo people try to claim. And yes, human "in the wild" so to speak are omnivorous. Our ancestors did eat some meat. That doesn't mean it is especially good for us. Meat is basically dirty fuel that's a little rough on our system but often our ancestors needed it to survive. A completely plant-based diet may not be what you'd see among humans "in the wild" but there is plenty of science that shows that it is actually superior for our health.
Natufian Grain Harvest Eating grass for 2 million years? We are not ruminants. All fruits and vegetables today are man made and most were non existent before the dawn of agriculture. Tubers were somewhat scarse and unavailabe during the winter. A vegan diet never sustained a human population. Name a single civilization that has thrived on such diet. Even Weston Price tried answering this question, yet couldn't find vegan humans anywhere.
Which Whole Grains Do You Recommend? ok so if grains are so good why cant people with colitis eat it without feeling inflamed when just before eating grains show no sign of being inflamed? what type of grain do you recommend since grains are so healthy?
I really like this and am a big fan of Dr. Garth Davis, but I really wish that doctors who are actual scientist would stop to say that nuts and plants are mammals that have mammary glands.
Milk is a white liquid produced by the mammary glands of mammals. It is the primary source of nutrition for infant mammals (including humans who breastfeed) before they are able to digest other types of food.
There is no such thing as Almond milk, soy milk or anything non mammal based milk. It just Does Not Exist.
If you can blend items in water and strain the shells and call them milk. Then why do we call limonade Lemon milk ?
Nobody said that. Look up milk in the dictionary. What animal does milk of magnesia come from? What animal does "milking it for all it's worth" come from? What animal does milkweed come from? "Milk" historically is not limited to a product from mammary glands.
Dr. Garth gave he best comment saying that he would love for all people to eat only fruits and vegetables; however, he gave the wrong reason why people can not. He said they have this biological desire to feel full. No. Their hunger is a from an inefficient and toxic body from eating the grains and cooked foods everyone here is promoting. Humans are FRUGIVORES:fruit eaters. If you have to cook the food for it to become edible, it isn't natural human food. Think about this (think about with without your denial stepping in). We shouldn't have to alter a food for it to become edible. We aren't graisivores. We don't have gizzards to digest these grains!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lo93chGGJs0
I love their enthusiasm and information provided. However, most grains and carbs sold in supermarkets are not nutritional dense. Inflammation is a huge concern overlooked by most physicians. Stick to fruits and vegetables and change your psychological behaviour.
I have done so many gluten free experiments, and I always feel less good when I eliminate wheat and oats, and when I have it again for the first time after 3 months, not only do I not feel bad, I feel BETTER. I am gluten free intolerant. And when I was gluten free, I ate nothing processed.
Because it is hybridized some grains the structure of it not complete so there is no mineral in them, aramath fonio quinoa spelt is good and some of the bread they making they added yeast in it make it bad
As the first woman said, gluten blocks iodine uptake into the thyroid, which regulates your body's hormones. If I eat white bread bagels, I experience all of the symptoms of hypothyroidism over the next few days, including dry flaky skin all over my face, lowered libido, fatigue in the gym, etc.
0bsolete-X that may also be due to bromide which is used in modern wheat processing. Bromide sticks to the iodine receptors and blocks its absorption. High doses of iodine can detox bromide and fluoride (which also blocks iodine).
Exactly!! I have often wondered why many who follow these diets look so withered, thin, face drawn?? I don't want to seem disrespectful but many who follow these diets MAY be healthy BUT they don't LOOK healthy!!
"I'm addicted to this" -- Interesting, seemingly thrown in at the last second, off the cuff etc BUT I think that very well may be the case?! If you're an obsessive compulsive and you trade-out the bad habits for good ones then you become a perfectionist; possibly leading to super-human, super-soul status. Interesting, indeed!...though miles off topic from the grains??
Now your just being rude. Your claim is fat makes you fat and diabetic, i've stated my belief that this sin't true based on (1) My own experience after losing weight myself 3 years ago and kept it off while still eating fats an (2)Science. No need to be aggressive about it, i'm merely trying to start a dialogue.
I have Hashimoto's and was told to stay away from gluten....by another sufferer with hashi's....my pcp has told me to just take my pill everyday....however, according to the panel, gluten is safe for everyone? Is it really safe for people with Hashimoto's? HELP. I've been gluten, dairy, soy (been told that it's a endocrine disruptor), grain, legume and sugar free for a bit over a year now...and I still feel like crap...doc just says eat less, exercise more and take your levo. Im at my whits end.
They didn't say that. Watch Dr. Greger's nutritionfacts videos. I know he has at least a couple on thyroid. I'm sorry you're feeling bad. When in doubt, eat more plants, especially dark green leafy vegetables and other colorful fruits and vegetables. (I have had thyroid issues too, but not as bad as yours. )
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