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Reimagining pharmaceutical innovation | Thomas Pogge at TEDxCanberra

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By reforming harmful supranational regulations, Thomas Pogge is developing a complement to the patent system to stimulate pharmaceutical innovations that would be accessible, without delay, to poor and affluent patients alike around the world. In this talk at TEDxCanberra 2011, ANU and Yale academic and ethicist, Professor Thomas Pogge outlines an idea that could revolutionise health outcomes and distribution of pharmaceuticals in both the developed and developing world. In the spirit of ideas worth spreading, TEDx is a program of local, self-organized events that bring people together to share a TED-like experience. At a TEDx event, TEDTalks video and live speakers combine to spark deep discussion and connection in a small group. These local, self-organized events are branded TEDx, where x = independently organized TED event. The TED Conference provides general guidance for the TEDx program, but individual TEDx events are self-organized.* (*Subject to certain rules and regulations).
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antyszwed (4 месяца назад)
and who will regulate regulators so they won't be corrupted?
Hayley Schlueter (8 месяцев назад)
In order to lower long term healthcare costs, there must be a relatively free market in healthcare. Socialized healthcare seems to only be a solution for short term problems such as ER visits etc. An example of a free market healthcare system would be the very unregulated market of lasik eye surgery where the price per eye has dropped significantly through the free market. Healthcare should be mainly treated as a commodity.
Luke Mosse (1 год назад)
The reason drugs are expensive isn't because 'rich people put the prices up' it's because they take decades to develop, at huge expense, to ensure as far as possible that they are safe.
Ross Darbishire (5 месяцев назад)
I think you've misunderstood the idea. He recognises R&D costs greatly, and that's the cost that the HIF reward will provide for, as well as profit and other costs. The drugs can be sold at mere production cost because the R&D cost is already covered, so the worlds poorest consumers can now afford it. They wont make any additional markup based on the consumers income because they only get the reward if poor people use it AND benefit from it. He does mention a markup based on the affluence of the consumer, because that is also a factor; if a company has rights to sell a product that they didnt pay the R&D for, they will still sell it at a well above production cost price, relative to the demand and affluence of the market they are selling to.
Jeff De Leon (8 месяцев назад)
Correct. I work in Clinical Trials and most medications take 10-15 years to develop. And only 20% of them do reach the market.
Doc Holliday (1 год назад)
I like it some clarification is needed. like how will you decide on what direction to go in? referring the last minute or so of the video. what will be your guide for making that decision.
Mohammad Farahani (1 год назад)
The guy has no idea about pharma industry!
Connect 2 Cleanrooms Ltd (2 года назад)
Nicholas Wong (2 года назад)
Chomsky endorses the Health Impact Fund. I guess it must be a dud then.
TheDenrix (2 года назад)
Beth Mcnellen (2 года назад)
What? Pharmaceuticals are expensive because rich people can afford them? Then he goes onto income inequality. Come on Ted, at least use facts and not dogma!
Luke Mosse (1 год назад)
The drugs are not inexpensive to produce, if you include the R&D costs. They're actually very expensive to produce when you include R&D. So the talker is either uninformed or misleading here.
Robert Stan (2 года назад)
+Beth Mcnellen Huh?
musiclover (3 года назад)
i think his hif  idea may be beneficial with some modifications but i doubt it will apply to the pharmaceutical industries in developing countries. There are so many potential hit and lead compounds available from natural sources that can be developed into drugs but due to financial constraints, these companies have no R n D departments and instead focus on generic manufacturing.
aucklandir01 (3 года назад)
I like the idea. The current system doesn't work that's for sure. Perhaps we should just stop making public health based on a capatilist, profit-based system. Perhaps worldwide governments should just create government owned pharma companies with no other shareholders and employ researchers and produce medicines only in the public sector. A bit like they do with power companies in NZ. A government based monopolistic producer if you will. I think until you remove health from a profit based system there will never be equality because health will never be based on income but only on profit which, as we have discovered, is not in the best interest of the majority, only the wealthy minority.
Egghead Einstein (3 года назад)
Knowing human nature I feel it would also be of some use to force companies to name the lead researcher involved. Money is appreciated. But fame is sought just as widely. I can't imagine developing a cure for cancer and have it named by some asshole in marketing. Personally i'd rather have 10 million poor people know my name and that i saved their lives over having 100 thousand rich people pissed off at me for how much my pills cost them to save their lives. Not to mention my pills i sweated 10 years on... thanks to that asshole in marketing, are named Absoluepan, which means absolutely fuck all zero to even myself. Can you imagine if Einstein had been working for a corporation in 2015? He'd get almost no mention when their marketing drip came out touting their new E=mc^2. There might be 100 Einsteins out there today, even more brilliant, we can collectively name... Zero! 
อ้อม อ้อม (3 года назад)
Jonathan o'hara (4 года назад)
Cheap to produce.  Unbelievably expensive to develop.  This guy is a deluded turd. 
Egghead Einstein (3 года назад)
You can't know organic chemistry to say that. And if they are expensive to develop blame the government regulations, because alone they are cheap as heck to devise as theory and then go on to create in the lab. Think about how many new illegal drugs have come out over the past 10 years... call them designer drugs or whatever... there must be at least 100... nobody spent more than a few thousand bucks on each of those first batches I assure you. No government red tape, straight to market, and overall not too too many people die as a result. yes, people die, but not very often.
Jada Cook (5 лет назад)
Great TED talk.
Max Mazourov (5 лет назад)
This would kill innovation in pharma. There's already huge pressure on the industry to produce more efficacious drugs, which has led to less meds getting to the market, if pharma companies will get less ROI, they'll just supply markets where they're making most money. In the end, it's the patients who will suffer. Think people are forgetting that producing pharmaceuticals is a BUSINESS and although cost of manufacturing "per pill" might be low, research costs are huge.
Joshua Fechter (5 лет назад)
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michael djarmotsky (5 лет назад)
pharmisutical companies should make brand new anesthics as strong as it cnn possibly made.the stronger the better.for theev most strogest pain and or pains of them all.
Heidi Møller (5 лет назад)
Tell me again how you consider 35 years (the life expectancy for cave men) old? I might be prone to approve the concept of the caveman-diet, but claiming that 90% of diseases can be cured with diet and we would have a life expectancy equal to the one today is ridiculous!
Val Pulido (5 лет назад)
Diet will be an improvement on health. But what he is talking about has more to do with things like tuberculosis and malaria which are indirectly cause by conditions of poverty. How much omega-6 and trans fat are in a diet to someone from Haiti is largely irrelevant.
tommy g (5 лет назад)
this is a bad idea who is gunna evaluate the health effect how are they not gunna be a waste of money and target of lobbyist how is this gunna stop lobbyist its just gunna create a wasteful beaurcrocy and more companies having a bigger monopoly
Harmen (5 лет назад)
The best innovation in healthcare is that medicine become obsolete. 90% of current disease can be cured with a paleolithic diet. Traditional living hunters and gatherers get old without disease common in the western world. You want to eat like a hunter-gatherer. Remove grains, diary, vegetable oils, sugar and excessive omega-6 and see your autoimmune disease, allergies and inflammation of any form dissapear.
katherine mcmanus (5 лет назад)
ah yes higher standards, but.....money SO nice....
Ah4b (6 лет назад)
Look up Socialism on wikipedia. It's got nothing to do with health care or public services in general. It's just very convenient for politicians to transfer the bad connotation of socialism to anything social to get rid of it.
Ah4b (6 лет назад)
Nice system but you know what? The US will never adopt it because a lot of people have been sucessfully convinced that a governmental health care system is socialism. Sad world.
Dr OLGA LAZIN (6 лет назад)
Lovely, innovators are the future!
sweYoda2 (6 лет назад)
@MastermindX WHAAAAAAAAAAAT?!?!?!?!?!?!!
MastermindX (6 лет назад)
@sweYoda2 So you only came here to preach? That's sad, you'd benefit much more from TED if you had your mind open to different ideas that you had not considered before.
sweYoda2 (6 лет назад)
@MastermindX What? I am pro resource based economy.
sweYoda2 (6 лет назад)
@GoldwireIT The future is not set, techology might lead to massive famine and/or enslavement. Hopefully mankind is past bullshit like that and we will become free.
MastermindX (6 лет назад)
@sweYoda2 That's why the system he designed would benefit private pharmaceutical companies as much as benefit everyone else, weren't you paying attention?
MastermindX (6 лет назад)
@catch22af You wouldn't be asking that question if it was you who was sick with an easily treatable condition, but you had to die because you couldn't afford the medicine.
Maciek Sykulski (6 лет назад)
@aganon77 Yes, low developed areas do need more condoms, however, did you consider the fact that it's also the poverty, illness, education, culture, and their bad situation in general that influences breeding rate? This is a mechanism of many living organism on Earth - if survival rate drops, the number of offspring grows.
spamandeggs99 (6 лет назад)
Thomas Pogge is a professor of philosophy. How does he know so much about the pharmaceutical industry? I can guarantee he spent 0 minutes talking to anybody who actually works in the industry, half the shit he says is so unbelievably off the mark it rivals Paris Hilton level thought. Those of you that want to drink his Kool-Aid, be my guest. You can't be convinced. Those of you with genuine curiosity, I encourage you to research how/why pharma $ are spent the way that they are.
Taylor Colburn (6 лет назад)
@tracychess While I agree, to a certain extent, with the idea that the first world indeed needs to think of health in this way, the third world is far too hindered by terrible living conditions, sanitation issues, food and water access, mis-education on diseases and their transfer, war, genocide, corruption, slavery, etc. etc. and so on and so forth. No issue this big has a bandaid quick-fix, and unfortunately life-threatening disease is still the primary concern of most of the world.
Tracy Kolenchuk (6 лет назад)
I was greatly saddened by this presentation. Thomas Pogge consistently uses the word 'health' as if it were 'not sick'. Health is independent of illness and can be measured and improved independent of illness and independent of drugs. Most of the people in the world are not dying from 'illness that should be cured by drug', they are dying from illnesses that should be cured by healthiness. Fixing the drug systems will not improve health. We need a health paradigm, not an illness paradigm.
Hellsconsort (6 лет назад)
@kezzy234 Some do. Many are also unwanted but made because of religious beliefs on contraception. Those greater size families also mean more feeding, medicine, financial investment, emotional care.
Hellsconsort (6 лет назад)
I enjoyed listening to him speak. I would raise the point though that another hugely effective way to drastically lower disease and illness is to pressure religious institutions into allowing members to use (and furthermore promote) condoms and other forms of protection. This would also to no small degree combat poverty.
MunaEndel (6 лет назад)
@GoldwireIT That is its main problem, people wont switch onto something, that 'might' work, on a dare. Can you provide some links to discussions/details that arent from Zeitgeist movies, youtube vids or the RBE website, cause those are way too simplistic. Dont get me wrong here, it can be a great idea but atm it seems like "lets live in peace and harmony" - a nice thought but you should show how it would work in the real world with all its complexity and how to get there.
Donrick Pond (6 лет назад)
@MunaEndel If a RBE isn't put to test how would one know if it would work or not? Have you actually studied the details of it beyond watching 10 minute videos?
Donrick Pond (6 лет назад)
@sweYoda2 I was thinking the exact same thing as soon as I started to watch this. People like him will always get drowned out. Even the idea of a RBE will get drowned out because not enough people will ever know about it and fully understand it and advocate for it. The only solution I have worked out is that things will change the same way they have always changed...Just a slow and steady progression so eventually technology will free us. Watch the documentary Transcendent Man.
MunaEndel (6 лет назад)
Every time there is a video about innovation or environmental problems someone suggests a resource based economy. Sorry, but it seems like a stupid idea, you have no evidence that it would work, there are some ~10min vids about it that dont explain anything and may get a few teenagers excited. You need a bit more to reasonably propose another system for world economy. As for this, a few pieces of legislation can make it happen, granted that people will push for it and oppose corporate lobbying
sweYoda2 (6 лет назад)
Nothing will change within the monetary system. I think guys like these are great, but they are naive to think that things will actually change. His hearth is in the right place, but his logic is flawed. Rich owners of companies don't care. Resource based economy is the way to go!

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