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In this video I check out the Sony Carl Zeiss Sonnar T E 24mm F1.8 ZA E-mount Prime Lens and compare it to the Rokinon RK21M-E 21mm F1.4 ED AS UMC High Speed Wide Angle Lens for Sony.
The rokinon has the same, or maybe even a bit better picture quality. So basically you pay $650 more just for getting an autofocus and a Zeiss branding... pretty meh :/ if you ask me (i know, f.e. for videos you need the autofocus, and the rokinon is no real option. But it still sounds quite overpriced, if you understand what i mean....)
Excuse me! But if the foreground AND in the background is not sharp at image DSC09600 , than you did not focussed well. This could not be a weakness of the Zeiss lens. Also noticed that at image DSC09603 with the rokinon lens, as you mentioned. ;-)
Anyway, the Rokinon seems to be the better choice and worth the money.
Thanks for the nteresting comparison. Well done!
Great review again. I understand the logic of not using the AF on the zeiss. Question. Would it make a diference in the overall result?
Looking forward for a review with: zeiss 24mm vs Sony 35mm; zeiss 24mm vs Sony 20mm pancake lens. 2 questions more: can the zeiss lens be the wall a round lens for travel? It has a focal of 35mm in FF and combined with the a6500 Ibis. In europe i can buy There zeiss 24mm newsletter for around 640 euros. Do you consider a good price for it? Keep the great great work
One thing ridicules is that you use manual focusing on e24. The auto focus make length larger, heavier but more reliable and efficient. People get regret when they notice the soft picture they took due to slightly miss-focus. How could you say that these shots are comparable because they might not in focus?
Impressing. Why don't you shoot a video to demonstrate your work flow? To explain this manual better than auto thing? In my opinion, auto focus works well in most scenarios. It sure become slow in low light, but most of cases accurate.
Thank you for another very interesting comparison, which in this case was exactly what I expected, but I am pleased to see it demonstrated. There is a reason that Sony teamed up with Zeiss to offer the 24 1.8 with the launch of the NEX system. It is the perfect single-lens normal for focal length, speed, weight, and the build feels very nice, and when it was introduced, customers had almost zero other choices. I began using NEX specifically to use adapted lenses. If not for that, I probably wouldn't have chosen Sony because of how nearly offensive the price of this lens is. Now I more appreciate using lenses made for the mount as many affordable alternatives have emerged making the Zeiss 24 rip off business plan irrelevant again. Unfortunately, there still is not true substitute. I have the Rokinon 21 and love it, but if you want AF, it's not there, and the Sigma 19 2.8 is simply not a substitute either since it is at the edge of the comparison being quite a bit wider, and it is 2 stops slower and needs stopping down even further to approach the sharpness of the Zeiss or Rok. Still, I have the 19 and use it too, understanding how handy it is with good af. It's very useful walking around outside stopped down to say f5.6. I was surprised to see how at that point it is only slightly behind the Sigma 16 1.4. But back to the Zeiss 24, there aren't really much other choices. I choose the Sigma 30 1.4 as my main awesome walk-around lens, but it is not as wide, and the Sony 35 is even tighter. I admit I get a bit annoyed when people ask you to compare lenses that are so different in FOV that their best uses are simply not the same. Thanks again!
I'm also very surprised over the sharpness of the Rokinon, honestly if I paid $1000 for the Zeiss and compare it to the Rokinon I would feel like I've been duped.
You do have the autofocus in the Zeiss but still not worth it and IMHO I'm more favourable of the warmer tones of the Rokinon too, the Zeiss comes out too cold.
Check out DOF Master (death of field). It is IMPOSSIBLE to "miss the focus" in a ~400 meter distance with a 24mm APS-C Lens @ F4!
Everything is in focus that is more far than 7,07 meters away (~21 feet)! This is maths - not a guess from me. http://www.dofmaster.com/dofjs.html
As a result of this: With a wide angle lens, <~20mm on APS-C NO need for autofocus! IF F4 and more than a couple of meters away. Just shoot @ infinity focus. Maths for this with Rokinon 21mm: from 2 meters away until 6,53+2= 8,53 meters away is EVERYTHING in FOCUS!
In 5 meter distance the death of fiel is 49 meter wide!!! In this corridor of 49 meters EVERYTHING is in FOCUS.
My 2ct - have a nice WE
When you test 2 lenses you should test both by manual focusing to get a fair result. Because the autofocus lens might focus on a different spot like you can see on the hair of your girlfriend on that photo at the lake.
I've wanted a fast 24mm for some time now, and I'd much rather buy the newly announced Sigma's 24mm f/1.4 ART lens than the Zeiss. It's cheaper and faster; pretty sure it's sharp too. Sure, it's bigger and heavier, but if moving to FF one day, it will remain useful. Hope you test out the FE Sigma primes one day.
The Zeiss is way too expensive. If you want AF, I'd say go for the (albeit quite a bit less wide) Sony FE 28mm F2, or the Sigma 19mm F2.8 DN Art (although F2.8, one of my favourites). At this focal length of 21mm, the manual focus Rokignon/Samyang makes less sense to me than say on the Rokignon/Samyang 8mm F2.8 UMC Fish-eye II (what a great little lens that is).
Apart from the 55mm, I often wonder whether the Sony-branded Zeiss lenses are worth it. In particular, I suspect that you would have a different feeling about Zeiss primes if you rented one of the “true” Zeiss lens lines, Loxia or Batis. My personal experience is that the build quality/sealing, colors, and aberration/distortion control are really on another level. The Loxia 21mm, in particular, would be a great lens to add to this comparison given its very small size for a full-frame form factor. Granted, they are pricey, but I’d much rather pay $300-400 more for the Loxia 21mm/25mm or Batis 18mm/25mm than the Sony Zeiss if I was planning to put down $1000-$1500 on a wide prime.
I found Zeiss to be better in most of these images even when you found out differently. With such long exposures I think most of the differences comes from camera shake. I prefer Zeiss colors especially on sky and water image it was big difference, also it was much sharper on dark water in that picture. I own the Zeiss but I own a lot of Sony lenses so it does not affect my opinion.
Exactly and the Zeiss works great for both stills and video with it's color pop. I personally use my lens where there is much color that needs to be captured instead of where there is not much in the way of color. Also the Rokinon looks to be more catered to Landscape photographery.
I agree. At times I was left wondering if I was looking at the same pair of pictures that was being discussed. For example, around 11:05 the commentary is that the Rokinon is much sharper but I was seeing the opposite - I could clearly read "come visit" in the circle above the "Oasis" on the Zeiss pic but could not make out the words on the Rokinon. Similarly, around the 5:00 minute mark when checking sharpness around the eyes, the commentary is that the Rokinon is only a bit less sharp whereas on my screen the Zeiss was much sharper. Not sure why this difference in perception is - differences in our computer screens perhaps ? I don't have either lens (I'm holding out for 23mm F1.8 with OSS APS-C lens - if Sony ever makes makes one :-). Just a little baffled ...
Sony 24 mm F1.8 has its strength as a video lens on the Sony A6500. and perhaps in this configuration should be compared to other lenses, and would probably prove superior to other combinations( It's not always you want to use a gimbal). Probably, it's just like video lens this lens is purchased (due to the right angle, fast focus and quiet). Therefore, it would be good if this moment was physically included in the reviews .... and not only stated. Comparing this lens with others for photo, its okey...but it is to skip what the lens is good at (video).
Another great comparison video!
Would be nice to see how the Rokinon 21mm does against the Sigma 19mm which is also quite sharp, has AF advantage over the Rokinon, and is even cheaper than the Rokinon (albeit at with an F/2.8 aperture). Chances of you doing such a comparo any time soon?
All Sony Lenses should just have OSS, they would sell more Lenses at the expensive of less Cameras. I honestly think thats a solid trade. You can even make the OSS on the lens sub par and up their IBS on their native Cameras and still make a fortune. Not putting OSS is intentional so that you are forced to use it on a stabilizer on non native cameras.
Wow. I'm fairly surprised. What a great little lens.
Sidebar: I finally snagged the Sony 35mm. that this in unreal, dude. I'm loving it. (eBay had a 20% everything coupon so I saved $88 on a new model!)
The colors on the shot with your wife in the field 5.40 on the Rokinon were fantastic. It does look look that the Rokinon lets in more light at F1.8 / all aperatures - would it be possible to work out the difference in light transmission by setting the iso and aperture and seeing the difference in shutter speed in a test environment. Dustin Abbott also felt that the Samyang 50 F1.4 also had better light transmission than the Zeiss and Sony lenses he was comparing it to
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