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Pseudo Nym (1 день назад)
Stephen Fry is fantastic. A fantastic human. Intellegent. Human. Intelligent human. Love him.
Journal Bee (1 месяц назад)
The other thing that presses hard on my brain when consider this question, is the power differential between the young person and older person - even if the younger is of legal age. What would statistics say about life outcomes of young people who were taken advantage of by older people? How often did the older gain and the younger lose? I'm thinking of loss of stability, loss of education, loss of professional prospects/job prospects, etc. Too many young people are too dumb to make a decision in their own self interest, and too many horny old goats are only too happy to serve their own self interests. Oh, I'm not saying the younger person of legal age is any better. More often than not it's greed that leads them into an older person's bed, but too often they come away with nothing, and even less than nothing because they got played. Young people need to be honest about why they're getting into bed with older people so that they can at least get smart about it, and come out of this relationship the richer and not the poorer. Seriously, there is a very powerful link between sex and greed and there is a huge imbalance of power between the younger and older players. Brains win out over beauty. Beauty and brains though... that'll make you deadly.
Journal Bee (1 месяц назад)
I'm not sure that the example used should be the criterion for establishing the age of consent. In thinking about this question, I'm forced to think about other questions, like the legal drinking age, legal voting age, legal driving age, legal dropping out of school age - basically the person should be old enough to handle responsibilities in all those areas. Because the undertaking of a sexual relationship is a massively downplayed, massively responsible undertaking, and yet the world is fraught with people who just cannot deal with relationships at that level, no matter how old they get. So I'm implying that the decision to have sex has serious and even deadly consequences if not played well.
Guy Doune (1 месяц назад)
Age of reason should be age of consent
Red Shirt One (1 месяц назад)
I love how people assume that humans wake up horny ONLY on their 18th birthday (here in America).
ej1elliot (1 месяц назад)
Clearly nature just needs to learn to stop making people sexually developed before their respective countries age of consent.
Kalle Sauerland (3 месяца назад)
he knows a suspicious amount about rent boys on google search
Baron Von Lichtenstein (3 месяца назад)
If you had no age of consent you would have pedophile school teachers grouping 6 year olds in exchange for candy. 6 year olds not even knowing what it is that is going on and might not technically object.
John Muhleisen (5 дней назад)
Obviously age of consent laws are needed to protect children and young adults who haven't fully matured from being abused manipulated and exploited. The problem is finding a right appropriate age and deciding where to draw the line. The age of consent varies and differs greatly throughout the world. There is not one age that all governments and the entire world can agree is the right appropriate age to have sex.
NATAS LIAH (4 месяца назад)
Adults who have sex with pre pubescent children should be jailed. I say this as someone who was molested at the age of seven. I don't know what the exact age of consent should be but anything after puberty is a good place to start.
Bad Goy (4 месяца назад)
This should not even be a debate, the frontal cortex responsible for human behaviour takes 25 years to develop. And you degenerates want the age of consent to be reduced further? God forbid any of you ever have children of your own.
theconman (4 месяца назад)
Stephen Fry is creepy.
badabingbadaboom (4 месяца назад)
http://ageism.simplesite.com
Marc Lastname (5 месяцев назад)
Non consensual sex. We're teaching consent in elementary schools here in Canada. They disguise it with non-consent meaning who isn't allowed to touch you. But the mind will automatically revert and think well there is people that are allowed to touch me. Hence consent can be had with a child if you were to give that child a toy candy etc. It's the manipulation of a young mind. There is groups that are trying to lower the age of consent to 12 years old. Stephen Fry maybe a pedophile. Because if a twelve-year-old gave consent he saying that it's okay.
꧁Mike Sully꧂ (6 месяцев назад)
i have overheard many 14 and 15 year old boys bragging about having sex with guys in their 20's, even a 13 year old boy at one point
Ender (9 месяцев назад)
Post modernists and feminists are pushing hard to replace intent with consequence in our laws, which will destroy our justice system, which is their intent.
Fakeslimshady (10 месяцев назад)
becos feminists very cleverly label all sexual attraction towards post-puberty teenagers as "pedophilia", no one even dares to talk about this any more
Brian Lacy (11 месяцев назад)
What is most important in this topic is not age but cultural attitudes and information about sex. Whether it's an issue of bullying and predating regardless of age, or whether it is an expression of love and affection between people. It's an extremely slippery slope when we think about the physical desires of people who are post-pubescent, and their interests in people who are younger than that. It is equally problematic in cultures where shame and power imbalances such as class or patriarchy or racial discrimination not to mention ageism can play a destructive force when it comes to physical contact between human beings
Zed1967 (11 месяцев назад)
If you belong to the Catholic Church you can fuck children and they will cover up your crimes and move you away to another parish to avoid detection.
Zed1967 (11 месяцев назад)
Why Gary Glitter has never become a priest is a mystery to me.
B rad (11 месяцев назад)
Theres no consent under 18 but we send kids to life in prison. We are living in the dark ages.
Debra Charles-clay (11 месяцев назад)
To delay sex is generally good for developing good character and discipline. Early sex causes a focus on the sex life to the detriment of other aspects of life. If a line isn't drawn, many men and boys would be fucking infants. I'm strongly against lowering the age of consent and it shouldn't be argued by a bunch of horny people.
Gordon M (1 год назад)
Fry is a BBC boy.
Gordon M (1 год назад)
Fry is a smug weirdo. No trust. Creep.
SuperRand13 (1 год назад)
Honestly i think when looking at crimes as sever as this you have to look at the context and details of each different situation. There is no single line that works fairly.
Penelope Dropped (1 год назад)
Nothing more cowardly and repulsive than a ‘human’ who predates on those more vulnerable than themselves, regardless of age. If non-consensual sex is your thing, you are beyond piteous, all your internal shame and self loathing is exquisitely placed.
Alex P (1 год назад)
Fry is getting alot of support from pedos!!!
D Dog 2015 (1 год назад)
You can look at it through Hagalian logic. Every societal revolution has swung from one extreme to the other before eventually settling at a reasonable balance. You can look at sex in a similar light. From the Victorian Era to the 1950s, it was extremely conservative. Then it was very promiscuous in the 1960s to the 70s or 80s. Maybe in this decade or the next we can reach a certain midpoint where we have the most balanced attitude to sex as possible.
Phoenix Chastaine (1 год назад)
Ah, but what society was Bosie a member of? NOW answer that question ;)
aadrianlee (1 год назад)
Death to all Pedophiles
Masochistic Suicidie (1 год назад)
No. Sex with kids is not fucking okay. I do not care who says it's okay or blah blah blah. Wtf is goin on?!
dave roy (1 год назад)
Until now (2013) Vatican City has had the lowest age of consent in Europe despite decades of child sex scandals within the church, while sex between people of the same sex has been legal in the city state since 1889. Satan and his followers are moving quickly to normalize debauchery, they have already redefined pedophilia in psychiatric bible as " those who want to have sex with children but whose desires are not distressing or harmful to themselves or others -- is no longer classified as having a psychiatric condition in the updated DSM." This is now a preference, just like calling yourself gay, trans....etc...etc...etc...etc...etc...etc and on and on it goes. Preschoolers get the my two dads sex ed. Grade 5 you get anal sex ed. So, have no mercy for those who suggest a lower age of consent. Filth.
ThatDutchguy (1 год назад)
The age for consent in regards to any form of prostitution should remain firmly at 21. One is more equipped to fend off coercion at that age then is likely below that age. In regards to non commercial sex (to put it bluntly) that age is 15 in my country but,...you can't have sex with a person older then 19 at that age, if the difference is slightly bigger someone is getting registered as a sex offender and quite possibly jailed, definitely if there's a bigger gap, then you're looking at serious prison time.
S. T. Scott (1 год назад)
all the comments add up to squat cuz let's face facts: people are generally too squeamish to comment on this but there is tacit approval of boys and teenaged boys having sex with older women. the remarks i've heard throughout my life justifying or explaining away this scenario nauseate with hypocrisy. Even when caught women who do these things are punished very, very lightly. why aren't there any feminists commenting openly about this? why aren't people demanding the ""dirty whores" be punished exactly like those ""male perverts"...?
Hannah G0123 (1 год назад)
Stephen Fry is so articulate and brace to tackle the topic
Slappy Kinkaid (1 год назад)
I'll make this simple. Neurological development. That is the key component. All this philosophical waffling about dances around the issue, but the REALITY is, most of the major key components to understanding all that goes along with sex as well as being capable of informed consent stems from, in part, the frontal lobes, & predominantly the prefrontal cortex. The frontal lobes finish developing at around age 16 & the prefrontal cortex is deemed adequately developed between 16 to 18, but not fully developed until about 22 to 25. Therefore, ages 15 & younger by & large are more & more limited in their capabilities for the neurological functions needed for proper comprehension & informed consent. As the age goes younger, likewise the scope of functionality of these key neurological components. Therefore, if you want to make a case for reducing age of consent from 18 to 16, be my guest, 14 to 15 is too much of a gray area to ethically reduce it to that number & 13 & under is out of the question. & prepubescent ages are without question off limits because of the severely increased risk for neurological damage. This isn't a matter of philosophical morality. It's a matter of understanding neurological development & ethics. If the child is not adequately neurologically developed enough to safely undertake the activity as well as understand all that goes with the activity & give informed consent, then it simply is unethical to allow that activity to take place with those people,
Matthew Campbell (1 год назад)
Stephen Fry made a documentary on homophobia, calling it as irrational as "hating red telephones", then 3 years later was quoted as saying he was "slightly obsessed" with gay sex in mens toilets in his younger years. Heterosexual boys and men have a right to be angry and fearful that people like Stephen and George Michael loiter around mens bathrooms looking for people to have sex with in those bathrooms. It is perfectly rational for these straight men and boys to be angry and fearful at such behavior. It is after all, illegal!!.
Howard Gilmour (1 год назад)
He's absolutely bang on, there is a surprising amount in our time, in many countries. David McGowan spelled that out clearly in Programmed to Kill. Even the more worrying links of child prostitution to Governments.
Occams Chainsaw (1 год назад)
3:05 Listen with your eyes closed
Butterfly Lullaby (1 год назад)
We need ex Detective, Margaret Oliver to be promoted to Head of UK POLICE. Will anyone help share these petitions and get them signed for the CHILDREN? https://www.change.org/p/mp-ann-coffr... https://www.change.org/p/theresa-may-... https://www.change.org/p/3-girls-sexu...
Arthur Palmer-Jones (1 год назад)
Campaign for a Change in the Law! https://www.change.org/p/uk-parliament-age-of-consent-and-statutory-rape-laws
docthebiker (1 год назад)
All men are pedophiles. Let me qualify that statement. I do not refer to homosexuals, because my first part of that statement is in the purely biological sense. All Male apes (like humans) are looking for mates, we call this the sexual urge, chimps don't have a name for it. Like chimps we try to choose the fittest female to carry our genes. gaining the maturity and strength to be the fittest female who is most likely to survive to raise our offspring and go on to breed again is not set by age, any more than the onset of puberty is at a certain age. It could be ten, it could be 17 or later. Attraction to children prior to the onset of puberty serves no biological purpose, but these are not the pedophiles that most concern me. Abhorrent biological behavior that serves no purpose for successfully passing on genes should breed out of a population but this one has not. Biological Pedophilia continues to exist in many species, and I haven't heard any scientific explanation for why. Maybe jumping the gun pays off, because sometimes these biological pedophiles score a hit before the dominant males take an interest. We are also socially pedophiles. Males form an interest in sex quite young. Most before age 16, all by age 18 (near as damn it. When I was at school it might have averaged out at about 14, now with social media etc, it more like 13. Who are these young males attracted to? usually at first it's actresses, models, singers, reality stars and the like. Sexually mature but "relatable". Fairly soon however we all start to notice those boobs and hips starting to appear on the girls in our peer group and form sexual attractions for 14 year old girls, and some of the more advanced 13 year olds. Now my point is once you establish an attraction for a certain thing, as you grow older, it may still be considered attractive. I still like chocolate bars I grew up with, and a law saying I'm not allowed to fancy a Kit-Kat for no other reason then some age concern would be ludicrous. I'd be a good boy and obey the law and watch all the 14 year old kids scoffing down Kit-Kats, but I'll not eat one myself, no matter how pretty the wrapper. Hell even if the wrapper is far too sexy for a Kit-Kat that age I'll not eat it. But I will look at it and drool (I'd count myself as being lucky enough to remember the taste of Kit-Kats), because the desire for kit-Kats has been established in my psyche. For sure I might have grown so my tastes include a nice Werther's Original now, and I'm partial to an Twix when I can get one, and if it were legal I'd still eat a Kit-Kat , just like I did when I was a Kit-Kat. And believe me when I say that it was true back then (and probable more true now) the lady Kit-Kats were the ones making the running. Point is if you liked 14yo girls while at school, that was fine. If you like 14yo girls after collage, well it's still good. It actually natural. Just do nothing to feed that liking. Forcing yourself to deny that part of you is unhealthy, and yet millions of men do so, as we are told it is _unnatural_ to have such an attraction. They lie to themselves and everyone around them. Just my opinion, but I feel those who accept their nature are better able to control it, while those who do not go through life with this secret shame, and are more likely to offend with Child porn and more serious child abuse. Those abused often hide it and go on to become abusers. Yet those who get help and are unburdened of the secret shame and feelings of guilt, in the vast majority, don't go on to become abusers. Myself if I see a cracking looking female with a sweet body, and France in the summer is overloaded with them, I will appreciate it. but that is all. I won't feel guilty if I see her topless on the beach and then realize she's only 14. I didn't chose her clothes or give her an amazing body. I'm not going to jump on her and rape her, so what have I got to feel guilty about. If we started flirting (highly unlikely now but it has happened) I know I'm not going to take it to a sexual level or immoral level, so again no guilt. Some of my most enjoyable conversations have been flirting. Last time was with a 15 year old. We've both come away feeling good about ourselves with greater self confidence and no harm to society, the law, or imaginary deity (or its followers).
docthebiker (1 год назад)
Bad Stephen. "Smacked wrist" for suggesting members of a Jury should make Judgment. As we know they are called upon to consider the facts and reach a verdict. If they were to Judge "that 16yo "A" seems immature and that 15yo "B" seems mature" they are making uniformed judgments. Knowing Mr Fry (not in the biblical sense) I believe he would regret having made such a statement.
chris bond (1 год назад)
Age is irrelevant, it's the maturity, and the actual personality and intelligence of the person, that matters! No one in their right mind would say that sex with a child is O.K. ,, but it is the line , between being a child, and being a consenting "person", not child, not adult! That said, if this age of consent thing was so categoric, and set in stone,,why does it vary so much, in the "civilised" world?? Of course in some "cultures" having sex with minors, and I mean children under adolescence is the norm,, that HAS to be WRONG on all counts, and appears only in the backward, knuckle dragging barbaric, neanderthal parts of the world, where their "religion" drives their lives!! The age of consent in the vatican city for example, being 12,, whereas it is around 5 or 6 in muslim countries,,now THAT IS WRONG!! The other appalling thing about it is that here in the U.K. the authorities close their eyes to it, yet decry it abroad,, I have honestly witnessed an 11 year old muslim girl pregnant with her own fathers child,but the authorities are not interested,, "it is their religion and culture" so will not intervene!! Anal sex with their own sons, nephews, or any very young boy is "natural" in some beliefs, as they "believe" their "god" was born of man, and there will be a second coming!! These Creatures should not be allowed to settle in the civilised world, but should be annihilated!!
Galley Salex (1 год назад)
Omg... this is a pedophile and rapist
Matthew Campbell (1 год назад)
Stephen Fry made a documentary on homophobia, calling it as irrational as "hating red telephones", then 3 years later was quoted as saying he was "slightly obsessed" with gay sex in mens toilets in his younger years. Heterosexual boys and men have a right to be angry and fearful that people like Stephen and George Michael loiter around mens bathrooms looking for people to have sex with in those bathrooms. It is perfectly rational for these straight men and boys to be angry and fearful at such behavior. It is after all, illegal!!.
Sidney Richard (1 год назад)
I'd like to ask Stephen Fry what he knew, and when, about Jimmy Savile. i thought he made some very sensible points overall, and he did draw attention to the users, but that whole issue in the UK seems to run into problems. Few people know, for example, that the Carlton executive who suppressed the "Conspiracy of Silence" documentary was one David Cameron, although this kind of information is gradually getting wider exposure. Any discussion of this issue is clearly trammelled by the security services. I was concerned in case this was an attempt to normalise paedophilia, because this has been an occasional theme over the years: the Labour party was rather compromised back in the eighties: at least the Tories had enough sense on this particular issue that Edwina Currie expressed concern that a senior civil servant was a known pederast. They kept their mouths shut, whereas that liberal sentiment which people of good conscience share, and to which Steven alludes in his comments about sentencing, persuaded some people to be more humane to the perps and go on record for doing so. Ultimately it boils down to this. There are those who think Savile was a one-off: and there are those who can't quite swallow the idea that someone who was SO prolific in his abuse was somehow never rumbled by MI5, even though mysterious recordings surfaced after Savile's death. Where did they come from? Their provenance has never been revealed. What did he do that prompted Charles to write a thank-you letter included with a gift referring to things that Savile had done that the people will never know about? There were references to an elite paedophile ring (somewhat disguised for legal reasons) in Private Eye back in the seventies. Far more evidence has emerged since then: but it has been ruthlessly covered up, egregiously by the BBC. While it's entirely possible that groups of Muslim men might get together to abuse underage girls, in the world as portrayed by the BBC it is LUDICROUS that groups of rich gay men might buy their way into corrupt orphanages to abuse children. The first reference I saw was to the Kincora Boys' Home, in the gossip column of Private Eye. Now there is so much evidence available, but you have to dig for it.
Sally Baddeley (1 год назад)
The great Stephen fry protector of children... “It’s a great shame and we’re all very sorry that your uncle touched you in that nasty place – you get some of my sympathy – but your self pity gets none of my sympathy,” he continued. “Self pity is the ugliest emotion in humanity. Get rid of it, because no one’s going to like you if you feel sorry for yourself. The irony is we’ll feel sorry for you, if you stop feeling sorry for yourself. Just grow up.”
Sally Baddeley (1 месяц назад)
I disagree, I think when children are being raped looking at them with pity, telling them to grow up and/or hating them doesn't help. I know my views are pretty much different from the worlds today, but I honestly think children in this situation desperately want help to stop the rape from happening. Afterwards, I think it's wrong to judge the child as evil and have no judgment towards the adult that raped them. I think they are the pitiful ones, not the child victim.
LurchingDeath (1 год назад)
Sally Baddeley that's actually a very sound a logical kind of thinking mate...
Danny Williams (1 год назад)
Why can't marriage be 'the line' - makes it so much more simple. Oh no! We live in a society that is obsessed with sex, let the teenagers have a go while we ponder over the age of "consent" and have no real idea what we're talking about.
Jake Mixon (1 год назад)
Oh. My. God. Who is that girl that keeps coughing. Jesus it's irritating and very rude to the people around her.
Matt Jones (1 год назад)
That point about the incident in Ohio is one I've always considered and been interested by. If a boy has sex with a 15 year old girl, on his 16th birthday, can he really be charged as having had sex with a minor, considering just 24 hours earlier, he was also a minor. Seems ridiculous (if he can).
m1 last (1 год назад)
hes shagging a 18 yold hes 60+ and he trys doing child safty projects himmy savill anyone???
NPC#6789 Orange Man Bad (1 год назад)
+Matt Waterworth Yea just like being a weebo is ok even though it's weird
NPC#6789 Orange Man Bad (1 год назад)
Matt Waterworth so what 18 is an adult
HazardlyNP (1 год назад)
I personally think it should be 15, but this should be coupled with EXTENSIVE SEX EDUCATION. I'm only twenty now and i had just one sex education class in my whole school education.
Owain Loft (1 год назад)
Nobody going to point out it was Eubulides and not Zeno who posed the paradox of the heap?
asocial Innovator (1 год назад)
Personally I think there shouldn't be an age of consent. If there was non consensual sec, it was rape. If there was consensual sex, it was not rape. Making bad decisions or being coerced to say yes isn't rape. If it's not rape with an adult, it's not rape with a child. Simple as that.
Curly Swrirly (1 год назад)
LoneWolf the furry agreed
R Baker (1 год назад)
Except that, the whole point about Rotherham was that the newspapers DIDN'T report it, even though they, the police and local authorities knew it was happening.
Amadeus190890 (1 год назад)
true
Truth seeker (1 год назад)
Fry and his crusade against hurtful humor was fucking lame, he is fucking lame and not very funny, this guy creeps me out.
The Vicious Chicken of Bristol (1 год назад)
There'an old and rather crude saying: "Old enough to bleed, old enough to breed. And whilst it is crude, it's also true. You can't argue with biology.
pheurangtchi975 (5 месяцев назад)
*John M* I'm a psychopath. I like to kidnap puppies and children and killing them slowly. It's in my nature. People have to accept me.
pheurangtchi975 (5 месяцев назад)
*T'was an old username and I'll change it soon.* Why does the OP have so mamy videos of tits and..."Pretty Baby"? Uhmmmmmm...
Biology and Ethics are two different subjects. Most organisms of species of animals can give birth relatively quickly. This is a benefit for the cases of if we don't survive long enough. But life has changed dramatically, especially for humans... ... ... I was gonna explain furthermore, but that would take time and effort, and I'm not willing to waste that for stubborn people. (you can bring horse to water, but can't force it to drink) So I'm just going to take a "you either get it or you don't" mentality to this instead. If you don't understand that mind is a factor in this other than just body, then I truly hope that you allow your 12 year old daughter to fuck as she'd like. I sincerely do, unless you're a retarded hypocrite and wants to go back on your own words. Because your argument is that the ability to be pregnant means they should fuck as they'd like.
LurchingDeath (1 год назад)
Mind 741 Bank it's quiet simple really, if it wasn't appropriate for now as it was the we would have evolved so that we reach the sexual stage at a younger date. It's little more than government believing it knows better than nature which to any rational person would be seen as a horrifying thing.
Ennui Boringcone (1 год назад)
child-bearing is also traumatic and something an adolescent is not prepared for. there may have been a time in caveman days when having the option of impregnating girls as soon as they were fertile was an evolutionary advantage and helped our species survive, but that doesn't mean it's appropriate in modern society.
Paul Johnston (1 год назад)
Drat. Frigging touch screens. ...natural sexual needs- from childhood on- has been central. "Natural" does not mean adults having sex with children, or homosexuality. Incidentally, does it occur that a fifty-year-old man might be attracted to ten-year-old girls because the ten-year-old still within him has retained the yearning to experience love with a ten-year-old girl? We all felt that yearning, or have you forgotten?
Paul Johnston (1 год назад)
" Child sex." "underage sex." The nonsense terms of our anti-sexual cultures. Peoples (less "advanced" than we) have existed in which the satisfying of the nat
Guylaen O'Connor (1 год назад)
Oxford Union is damn good at multicam.
Aled Long (1 год назад)
Stephen Fry is a disgusting paedophile. Played Jeeves well, but that does not redeem his darker more insidious proclivities.
Borkborkwoof (1 год назад)
Krytern UK I'm assuming he's one of the people that equates anyone not christian, not heterosexual or not poor as being a pedophile.
Krytern UK (1 год назад)
The fuck are you blabbering on about? Do explain how he's a pedophile.
Thomas Tom (1 год назад)
I remember when I was 15 I looked older and uses to trick much older women in to bed, I was just a horny boy, to this day I'm sure they had no idea they was fucking a kid... but it's something I wanted so I did it!..... But I would never intentionally look for a kid to sleep with myself one I don't think it's right as most are no where near ready for sex and two I love an old women, well women in their 30s. But damn the hypocrisy is real on my part!
Pranab KSarkar (1 год назад)
I was 11 and she was 9. We've been away for most of our lives since then... but she visited a temple and put her pic up on fb with a tika rather recently... earlier, when I hated the family godman, she frowned upon me...... and now she will probably turn out to be so much like our righteous desperate mothers, who were sisters, i fear that i need mercy as we in India see a future where "liberal squeaks" will be squashed before we utter them. Should I say ... "Pls help, people" or what? Oh Britain, thou were so much better, that Tharoor is either a fool or a conspiracy hero who is vying to open a mini Pandora's Box. Mini, because it will have little effect on world politics, as he is not in Modi's government.
dilwich123 (1 год назад)
Muslims love child sex.
dilwich123 (1 год назад)
Butt hurt Saul? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Saul Davis (1 год назад)
dilwich123 You
dilwich123 (1 год назад)
I never mentioned white black or any colour I named a religion and guess what? Religion is NOT a race so now who is the fucking idiot? Lol.
Saul Davis (1 год назад)
dilwich123 oh yeah, because the white man doesn't hurt children do they? Lol, you're a fucking idiot.
Nathan Dehnel (2 года назад)
We should just follow the 2 * your age - 7 years rule.
Brendan Beckett (1 год назад)
So a 54 year old should go to jail for having a relationship with a 30 year old? You might say, well then have an upper limit like 18.... ah, but then we're back where we started.
NPC#6789 Orange Man Bad (1 год назад)
Nathan Dehnel no because the mathematical equation isn't a proof but just bullshit some dude made up
VC1 (2 года назад)
the reality is that most judges are capable of looking at the context of situation and the two people involved. In most cases of underage sex, it is the consent issue that is looked at most closely rather than the age itself. - I'm obviously not talking about rape or abuse cases.
Alan Parkinson (2 года назад)
I do not feel comfortable with the way he avoids the question!!!
KinnArchimedes (1 год назад)
Alan Parkinson he answered the question 1 second after it was asked. "i don't"...
Cory Dupont (1 год назад)
As well you shouldn't, either. Fry is a reprobate.
Aeroldoth3 (2 года назад)
One of the problems with age of consent is that it draws an arbitrary line. There is no one-size-fits-all law that can completely cover this, but by establishing any age, you create situations of people who give genuine informed consent and are not harmed by the sex yet the elder is arrested and punished because of this arbitrary line. Mustn't there be a victim, for there to be a crime? However we cannot use metrics of things like "maturity" or "informed" consent. These are completely too vague for courts and laws to use. What I propose is something that allows more room for flexibility, removes punishments where nobody is complaining, and puts more power in the hands of society instead of gvmt, making it better able to adjust with changing times and attitudes. What I propose is keeping an age of consent, but allowing parents to give consent for those younger. In this way, if the parents don't have a problem with their teen sleeping with so-and-so, then gvmt shouldn't either. It allows each family to decide what is right or wrong and when each of their children may or may not be ready (and who better to know than the parents?). For children that are mature, the parents can give consent earlier than the official age. For immature children, they will just have to wait until they reach the legal age on their own.
Reabetsoe Motjolopane (3 месяца назад)
Aeroldoth3 nah fam... I don't know about you but where I'm from parents would never let their kids fuck regardless of age or maturity but we do it anyways 😂😂😂.
Curly Swrirly (1 год назад)
Aeroldoth3 I agree
Aeroldoth3 (1 год назад)
It's my view that laws should be addressing harmful elements in society, but not punishing people when there is no harm. Here in the US, we have a massive incarceration problem. This includes things like mandatory minimum sentencings as well as private prisons with quotas that gvmts have to fill. Discussions around adult/child sex however are almost impossible to have though, because if you're not 3000% against it, people will call you a sick pedo molester that nobody should listen to. Can't have a productive conversation then.
Roger Mellie (1 год назад)
Aeroldoth3 I believe in some countries the age of consent is 15(maybe as low as 14?) and others 18. In England you're a right lad if you pull a 17 year old but in other countries you'd be a "nonce". It's a very fine line. I see school girls who would pass for 18 but my niece who is 16 is very small and a bit immature and looks about 13. Seems odd to draw a definite line but I suppose there isn't much choice. Not affect me anyway lol I'd be lucky to attract a 25 year old these days.
Ryan Bonner (2 года назад)
I don't trust Fry. He has a creepy streak on this exact topic. But I still love listening to him philosophying. Always have.
LrsLzk (1 год назад)
Ha! Your surname sounds like an errect penis! Haha!
huba tongk (2 года назад)
his husband looks like a 15 year old kid to me, so im not sure what really motivates him to question the age of consent here. i dont beleve its just because he thinks its vauge.
huba tongk (2 года назад)
wow your a clever boy with great knowledge of "most of human history", i stand down. i know when I'm outmatched intellectually. i hope you guys find the right age that fits every persons best interest and most importantly your own. Carpe diam, gentleman. the way of the intelectual is quite hazordus indeed its like a maze of philistines that just dont understand logic and propor resoning, i dont know how you guys do it im already exauhsted with all this thinking im glad im a dummy who dont have the world on his shoulders id hate to have so much responsibility with such ability
Aeroldoth3 (2 года назад)
+huba For most of human history people have had sex, married, owned property and businesses, and fought in wars at the age of 15. I agree with Theodore that suggesting that the only reason Fry is talking about this is because of some secret agenda is offensive and counterproductive. We will never be able to discuss controversial issues if people insist on insinuating things about those how hold a certain position.
huba tongk (2 года назад)
what country do you live in?
Theorimlig (2 года назад)
+huba tongk On what grounds was this new magical age decided to be 18 and not, for example, 15? In fact, where I live it is 15. In some places it's even lower than that. 18 is just as arbitrary as any other chosen age of consent. I think that's an important point.
huba tongk (2 года назад)
*went
Philip Croft (2 года назад)
He's talking shite here---there HAS to be a line drawn for age of 'consent', so that the onous is ALWAYS put on the adult, to find out the age of the victim; otherwise, that excuse will always be used, and it will destroy what little protection there is in law. Faggots like him have always tried to justify lowering the age on consent---he 'married' a toy-boy recently---
Kjernekar (1 год назад)
Yes we have to draw the line, but the line shouldn't be an "end all be all" to an argument or conviction. It should be starting point for measure, not a decider. I think we can all agree that a person who turned 16 yestarday that has sex with his girlfriends that turns 16 tomorrow shouldn't punished for having sex together.
A Whyex (2 года назад)
Fry (and Hitchens) are/were 2 examples of very few people who would be brave enough to discuss this on a public platform and like with all subjects, unless we can have open and honest discourse, we will never be able to make significant progress. Unfortunately with the red-top hysteria and the ensuing vigilante mentality, this kind of intellectual debate will be limited to comments on feeds such as this.
Red Shirt One (1 месяц назад)
+Gordon M spoken by an incel? To simply 'get over the orgasm' is to simply forgo sex. Fuck that.
Gordon M (1 год назад)
Give me a break. Get over orgasms. Chill out and clean your house.
Pranab KSarkar (1 год назад)
And you know what happens to people like them... esp when they are away from the spotlight. .. Do you live in perpetual fear of things, or do you prefer being a Schindler, or do you simply not think about being? Just curious.
only1andrews (2 года назад)
children.. or intelligent humans capable of love and consensual intimacy.. who said it was just sex.. what if love was the gain.. it's hard.. because I was 13 when I met the love of my life who was 24.. she sadly died of cancer when I was 19.. if not.. I would of been with her for life.. nor once was I "abused " mentally or physically.. because I was so advanced in my maturity I knew exactly what an exciting journey sex was.. the adventure of life and humans.. we were 100 percent in love.. but I can't say the same for the less mature and intellectually inclined 13 year olds I knew.. so maybe age is not a good reaction.. maybe the maturity and understanding should be measured in each case..
Faeden (3 месяца назад)
only1andrews disgusting. Your groomer was a disgusting pedophile.
Jack Thompson (7 месяцев назад)
I've got a court case right here that proves that point exactly right. Happened very recently as well.http://www.kelownadailycourier.ca/news/article_ed1ee9fa-d7c2-11e6-8ee9-e31395e0406e.html
mrsuperguy2073 (1 год назад)
+Curly Swrirly dude that sucks. I don't know the age difference so i have no idea how inappropriate this would be. But either way I'd advise against getting into a relationship with a teacher. Even ignoring the trouble they could get into. Because of the age difference, it makes it harder for them to treat you the same in school and the extent of their emotional investment in your well being might cause them to for example sugar coat it when you do badly in school. I'd suggest telling your parents how you feel and look into seeing a therapist to help you through this. Maybe telling someone at school might also be a good idea but that's for you to decide. Again, i get how you feel and i know it SUCKS but i just don't think getting into a relationship with a teacher is a good idea, let alone the age difference.
Curly Swrirly (1 год назад)
only1andrews Well there's nothing really much to say... I'm a kid and I feel mad love for my teacher, but I can't act on my feelings because I'm a kid. If I say something and he feels the same, it's likely for him to be arrested for pedophilia. And if I don't say anything (which I'm doing now) I'll get even more depressed than I already am. Being a kid really sucks.
Cabbage (2 года назад)
"Thank you so much. That was unbelievable!" What was unbelievable? Why do people talk like this?
epiphany55 (2 года назад)
There is some inconsistency over the issue of consent. We appear to value consent when it comes to sex and legal contracts, and rightly so. But what about the consent to be born? No I'm not being facetious. The unborn have no capacity to consent to being born. How is this ethically different to the child who has no capacity to consent to sex? In fact, the latter is potentially less harmful than the former, since birth creates the very conditions for the suffering we all seek to avoid. It also creates the conditions for non-consensual sex itself, disease, distress, poverty, mental illness and death. The ethical implications of non-consent are surely the same whether you are an adult, child or pre-birth. So what exactly is it about the imposed birth of sentient life, especially in conditions we know are going to be harmful or impose risk, that makes its non-consent acceptable? The usual response of "birth is a natural process" doesn't cut it, since non-consensual sex could also be deemed "natural" - what we would consider rape is common throughout the animal kingdom as a primary means of reproduction. So the nature argument is clearly not in line with our evolved ethical standards. We also go to great lengths to minimise harm in life, yet we create the very conditions that demand such efforts in the first place by creating new life. Not only that, but we impose those conditions upon other beings knowing full well we cannot control the degree of harm/suffering they will experience in life, through no fault of their own (take genetic disorders or sexual predators, for example). This is a serious point and I wish people would consider the birth aspect of the consent problem without flippancy.
Ecclesiastes 2:24 (1 год назад)
No, there is no inconsistency. Because we know that most people actually quite enjoy their lives, only a minor share of the population deems life to be so cruel that they commit suicide. It is ludicrous to state that birth creates conditions for suffering, as it creates conditions for enjoying stuff as well, and the enjoying part of life far outweighs the suffering part of life. In the case of child abuse however, we know that persons that were abused at a young age actually did not enjoyed that very much, and their suffering is very apparent. And that is the very reason for the existence of an age of consent. In the case of birth we can assume that almost all persons would be happy to live. In the case of child abuse, non-consensual sex, we know that the majority is not quite happy with it.
Proud Guy (2 года назад)
Someone has to explain why adults need to chase after kids for sex. The is no reasonable justification.
Be Enlightened (2 года назад)
+Proud Guy Some people are predominantly or exclusively attracted to adolescents (hebephiles/ephebophiles), though this doesn't mean they're only interested in sex. You may be fortunate enough to be a teleiophile but some people aren't and don't find older people attractive any more than you find the elderly so.
eyy lets go (2 года назад)
its a mental disorder
only1andrews (2 года назад)
children.. or intelligent humans capable of love and consensual intimacy.. who said it was just sex.. what if love was the gain.. it's hard.. because I was 13 when I met the love of my life who was 24.. she sadly died of cancer when I was 19.. if not.. I would of been with her for life.. nor once was I "abused " mentally or physically.. because I was so advanced in my maturity I knew exactly what an exciting journey sex was.. the adventure of life and humans.. we were 100 percent in love.. but I can't say the same for the less mature and intellectually inclined 13 year olds I knew.. so maybe age is not a good reaction.. maybe the maturity and understanding should be measured in each case..
Fredrikbb (2 года назад)
We got some affirmative action going on on Oxford?
Calzon Cillos (8 месяцев назад)
Go watch fox news and your puritan bullshit.
SirCouchus (1 год назад)
It looks that way
Frantic Freak (2 года назад)
“Traditionally, across the globe, the age of consent for sexual union was a matter for the family to decide, or a tribal custom. In most cases, this coincided with signs of puberty, menstruation for a woman and pubic hair for a man. Sir Edward Coke in 17th century England ‘made it clear that the marriage of girls under 12 was normal, and the age at which a girl who was a wife was eligible for a dower from her husband’s estate was 9. The American colonies followed the English tradition, and the law was more of a guide. For example Mary Hathaway of Virginia, was only 9 when she was married to William Williams. Portugal, Spain, Denmark and the Swiss canons, initially set the age of consent at 10-12 years and then raised it to between 13 and 16 years in the second half of the 19th century. Historically, the English common law set the age of consent to range from 10- 12. In the United States, by the 1880s, most states set the age of consent at 10-12, and in one state Delaware, the age of consent was only 7. Social and resulting legal attitudes toward the appropriate age of consent have drifted upwards in modern times. For example while ages from 10 to 13 were typically acceptable in Western countries during the mid-19the century, the end of the 19th century and beginning of the 20th century were marked by changing. I believe that a lot of our current mores come from reluctance to let our children mature mentally as quickly as our bodies do. Keep in mind that not all societies share Western mores. And to my surprise, until the latter part of the 19th Century, Children in the Western nations were engaged and married at a much earlier age. The trend to give children more time to mature is relatively new. In his book, The Emphatic civilization, (Penguin, NY, 200) Jeremy Rifkin points out that the concept of adolescence only emerged during the last decade of the nineteenth century and the first three decades of the twentieth century. Society started to think of childhood as extending beyond puberty, into the later teenage years. Before that, children were considered to graduate into adulthood with the onset of puberty.” [9]
Ashford Larynx (2 года назад)
Very rarely do peadophiles or rapists physically force sex as youd imagine on children. They manipulate, bait and lure the child into agreeing to it, unless you are a victim or very closely know one you probably wouldn't understand. Thats why there is an age of consent.
Rex (1 год назад)
Ashford Larynx Exactly, well said.
Tilly Divine (1 год назад)
The problem with this is he's not talking about a 19 year old lad who fancies a 15 year old girl or a 17 year old lad who fancies 14 year old lad. He's talking about himself a rich, famous, feted 50 year old man who quite clearly rather fancies fucking 14 and 15 year olds and that, no matter whether the 50 year old is heterosexual or homosexual, in countries where the age of consent makes it legal or illegal, is fucking creepy and bound to lead to exploitation and coercion.
Gnawer Shreth (2 года назад)
+WalterLiddy That's the case for all sorts of things though. We (almost) all agree that we need those rules but there's no "correct" stance on a lot of the rules. Speed limit, drinking age, driving age, when are you old enough to go to jail, voting age etc. What makes age of consent a bit more complicated is that we know that basically everyone is going to be interested in doing it.. Even without manipulation or whatever. So obviously it makes no sense to set the age of consent at 21 or something like that. That will just end up criminalizing a lot of teenagers who willingly have sex anyway. It's a biological drive regardless of laws and regulations. If most people start being really interested in having sex around the age of 14-16 it makes sense to have the age of consent around that mark. Why criminalize teenagers for something completely natural that they willingly do? It makes no sense. So I think it's fair to say that we're on the right track in most of the western world when it comes to age of consent since we know that sex drive has a lot to do with the puberty kicking in. But regardless of it being 13, 14, 15, 16, 17 or whatever, there will always be people who won't fit the stereotype. There's nothing we can do about that though. We can't make laws based on the extremes. We can't allow people to drive twice as fast as today simply because 'The Stig' can do it and we also can't set the speed limit at a snail's pace to allow complete morons to be able to drive. We need to set it for the average person and the same obviously goes for things like age of consent as well.
WalterLiddy (2 года назад)
Yes, and the problem with that, as I think Fry is trying to point out, is that being vulnerable to that kind of manipulation isn't something that directly correlates with age. There are many adults who are victims of emotional manipulation of much the same category. The difference is that we presume that under an arbitrarily defined age, NO person is capable of defending themselves against it. Like the 'heap', I'm sure we can all agree that no 10 year old can give meaningful consent. And no 11 year old, and so forth, but where do you suddenly say "Oh, I think certainly by THAT age they should be able to do so."? 16? Why?
Gnawer Shreth (2 года назад)
I think people understand *why* there's an age of consent. It's just that the age of consent is arbitrary. I mean, it even varies within western Europe for example. There's no real reason why it should be 16 and not 15 or 17 for example. It's not based on anything but a "feeling" of a country. In countries where the age of consent is 16 for a long time they tend to think of sex with a 15 as horrible and "Omg, I can't even imagine that." but they obviously feel different in countries where the age of consent is 15 or maybe even 14. 16 is no more "correct" than 15 or 14.. Or 17 or whatever. Because it's completely arbitrary. There's no reason behind it being 14, 15, 16 or 17. It's basically just whatever age most people of a country stop seeing it as horrible. Nothing else.
ELEMTEY (2 года назад)
It's such a difficult issue. My friend was 16-17 when she met a man in his mid twenties. She was flattered by his attention, had verbalized a consent to engage in sexual activity with him with the acceptance of her parents. They entered a relationship and I only found out years later that he had emotionally abused her for the longest time and he had serious anger management issues. It seemed to me that he was grooming her emotionally. I honestly don't think many people have a clue what they are doing in their teens and early twenties. Even personally, I was an emotional mess until I was probably 23. I had men in their late 30s when I was 18-19 making serious advances and thankfully I made the right decision to exit those situations. Those older men were emotionally manipulative and now that I think about it, really just wanted me for my youth. I understand the male desire for a youthful partner and how it plays into making babies, but I honestly think in this situation that what was natural was not "right". It could have really fucked up my life.
Faeden (3 месяца назад)
ELEMTEY No it's not. We have laws. For a good reason. Sex has serious consequences, both physically and mentally. Hence why 16 is the legal age in the UK. Break them laws you deserve to be hung..it's amazing to see so many pedophiles here trying to justify their pedophilia.
Niobesnuppa (1 год назад)
This is why personally I think the whole age of consent thing should be relative to both partners, so say for example if one partner is 17 or younger, the other partner can't be more than 4 years older than them. Obviously there are exceptions, but in relationships between a teen and someone in their 20's there is usually just a massive power imbalance between the two, because the older partner is so much more emotionally mature and knows more about how the world works, and so it's very easy for them to manipulate the younger party, whereas if they're both in their teens the whole manipulation is less likely to happen. It's a minefield of a topic, but those are my two cents anyway.
DEn Bond (1 год назад)
Very reasonable statement!
WalterLiddy (2 года назад)
I think this illustrates how 'consent' is so difficult to determine. A 16 year old will tell you s/he is able to decide and has given consent, but it is not uncommon for an older person to manipulate the feelings of someone so much younger and less emotionally mature - particularly if there are emotional issues at play that the 'child' has to deal with (unhappy home life or whatever). Frankly, I find it hard to believe that anyone in his mid-twenties can find all that much in common with a teenage girl that their 'love' would be legitimate. My instinct is that in that circumstance, consent or no, there's something not altogether healthy going on, probably on both ends.
Vermillion 303 (2 года назад)
And emotional abuse can be just as damaging long term.
Ty Smith (2 года назад)
Who asked Mr. Fry about how difficult it might be for someone, who's into teenagers when he shouldn't be, to tell if a boy is 15 or 16? No one. So the reason why he talks about this is? And why does he find it to be such a problem?
Vermillion 303 (2 года назад)
He didn't actually say that. He's saying that the line drawn for the age of consent is arbitrary.
Sienna s (2 года назад)
The particulars of a case and the discretion of a good judge do allow sensible rulings. For instance in England where there is a three year gap ie an 18 year old and a 15 yrs old it is not an offense. However a sixteen yr old having sex with an adult in supervision of them i.e a teacher or and care role will have the book thrown at them as if the of age adult 16 yr old was a child.
essengeebee (2 года назад)
Stephen Fry didn't get married, he bought a rent boy.
r pray (2 года назад)
I think legal adulthood should be a process, rather at just a single age (e.g. 18) , at certain ages you get certain benefits of adulthood (e.g. consent, drive, vote, drink, or smoke). Don't know if any country does that? I'd like to know!
r pray (2 года назад)
+Gavin Boutdy I agree that it could be seen as arbitrary. It just seems so overwhelming to throw everything at someone at a single age (e.g. 18) that's why I think it should be a gradual process.
Gavin Boutdy (2 года назад)
I suppose that makes sense. It still just seems a bit arbitrary to me.
r pray (2 года назад)
+Gavin Boutdy For sexual consent add in a close-in-age exemption.
r pray (2 года назад)
+Gavin Boutdy It's a process take voting for example: 16 year olds: Local elections 18 year olds: Provincial/State elections 20 year olds: Federal elections
Gavin Boutdy (2 года назад)
What do you mean by making it a continuum?
Eddie Thompson (2 года назад)
I have read through most of the comments below and didn't find any that spotlight what is the main problem nowadays. The Internet. Because there is so little censorship a vast majority of underage kids have access to the most graphic sex on screen. I can honestly see far more kids being fully consensual and this could eventually lead to a breakdown of our social system. What is the answer?
pheurangtchi975 (5 месяцев назад)
*T'was an old username and I'll change it soon.* Actually, you can start puberty as young as 8. So, their EIGHT-year-old daughter should be allowed to fuck however she wants and get pregnant.
Cole, Within I hope you let your 12 year old daughter fuck a lot. I bet she can get pregnant by that age. Because according to your reference to evolution, some girls can give birth by that age. That's a fact.
LurchingDeath (1 год назад)
Eddie Thompson one could argue that what you're describing is not harmful at all. People will have no sexual interest until the point of puberty. From that point is where the line should end. There is absolutely no reason why humans should believe that they know better than nature. If it was truly "better" for someone to refrain from sexual activity till 16,17,18 etc we would have evolved that way. We need to quit bastardizing, and perverting nature. The only sex that should be considered criminal is that between a prepubescent individual or when no consent is present.
Vermillion 303 (2 года назад)
I don't think it does make kids more consensual, but it does put pressure on them to do things they may not be ready for, earlier. But that doesn't mean they want to do them out of natural desire.
Decept0r (2 года назад)
cough cough cough cough cough cough
Locke Pinder (2 года назад)
The age of consent exists purely to prevent/punish those who take advantage of people too young to understand the implications of sex and are therefore unable to give truly _informed_ consent. It would make sense to me that as people are hitting puberty earlier than ever, are better informed through public health campaigns and comprehensive sexual education, and have been raised in a society with more liberal attitudes towards sex, that the age would be steadily lowered, rather than being raised as it has done in a number of countries recently. The fear of "child sex" is such that no politician in the world would argue for a change which would allow more of it - but I do think our current laws could do with some adjustments to make sure they aren't hurting the young people they're supposed to protect. I can't find any recent data right now, but even data from 15 years ago shows that 1/3 of people lost their virginity before our age of consent (16) *and* that the average age was getting younger with each generation. In my personal peer group the majority were in stable, sexually active relationships at 14-15. It is just wrong that when their 16th birthday lands, the older of the two is suddenly guilty of a heinous crime. I would start by adding in a "Romeo & Juliet" exemption like some US states have - the age of consent would stay at 16, but as long as the older person is not more than 2 years older than the younger one, they wouldn't be guilty of any crime (so a 16 year old could be in a relationship with a 14 year old without consequence). That broadens the line we draw quite significantly, while also offering the same protections against exploitation by older people that we currently have.
Jack Thompson (7 месяцев назад)
Well frankly, when I hear the term "Informed consent" in regard to sex, that just tells me you're trying to move the goal posts. It's absurd.
Kyle Smit (11 месяцев назад)
In South Africa we have a provision that says: The age of consent is 16, if someone 16 and older has sex with someone under 16 that is a crime However if the person is between the ages of 12 and 16 and has sex with someone also between the ages of 12 and 16 there is no crime.
Debra Charles-clay (11 месяцев назад)
Locke Pinder yours was the first intelligent comment.
NPC#6789 Orange Man Bad (1 год назад)
Brien Eaton even more of a better for you to be killed actually that's sad would kill an innocent child just because he liked your niece you are scum
Brien Eaton (2 года назад)
thats a good point. all the more reason to give them a good warning when you first meet them :p
JP Meadows (2 года назад)
What Mr Fry is struggling with is something called hysteresis effect. This is something which is a common occurrence in all things, yet is seldom brought to the table when scientists (of all genres) try to analyse why something changes from one state to another. Only in the field of Electrical/Electronic Engineering does it have significant influence in decisions on "functionality". Although a highly fanciful movie; consider "The Curious Case of Benjamin Button". At what point did he switch from being an adult to being a child? The same point (age) in reverse as had he grown normally?
Graham Lindsay (2 года назад)
I think that we need to look at what consent is. Consent is having sex with a person who is legally allowed to have sex and is in a fit conscious state of mind to agree to have sex. How we punish people who abuse this trust and how we help the victims of this abuse needs to be explored in far greater detail.
Mousal (2 года назад)
The age of consent is common sense.  It is based on maturity, enough to make your own sound judgement and choice.  Generally people can't do that if they are 'immature' the same as if they are drunk  'out of their face'.  The age should be increased to 18 years and if there weren't so many paedophiles in influential places, selling sex to kids through media,  society would have a lot less problems young people being vulnerable and exploited.  Many young people are sexualised and don't understand it but as their body responds it is extremely confusing and with an adult saying 'it's good for you'  it leaves a sordid stain which a child can never wash away.  Paedophiles don't just damage children's bodies, they damage their personality development (often resulting in life Personality Disorder) and serious social and relationship problems, not to mention the years of nightmares and suicidal periods many victims endure.  Would you pass your husband or wife around for sex or persuade them to pose for photos or sex videos?  When Paedo's say they want sex with children it is for control and violence, like rape not a loving relationship.
Mousal (2 года назад)
+Danny Tokumei Most people are cattle.  If you tell them hard facts they will call you paranoid.  Forget about them, they are safe in their tiny minds being shuffled along to the abattoir, never having seen or understand the world.  We r all totally conditioned though  that's what religion is for (e.g. paupers who couldn't afford to eat giving money to rich churches). And even more so since psychology, Edward Bernais and the TV.  It is the few who research behind the sources we are taught about and consider the mind set of the writers/researchers (motives and financiers  (Cui Bono) who can free themselves.  Then many jump from one indoctrination to another.  I don't think anyone on earth knows the whole truth about  world politics.  The  mist is too broad and deep. Ppl see things subjectively (instead of understanding the mind of others) and as 'separate' and immediate instead of world wide and long, long term. They simply don't realise that everything is intertwined so they've got no chance. It's interesting for those who can 'think' though, like detective work.  LOL
Mousal (2 года назад)
It looks like home schooling will soon be illegal.  Several families have had children taken in to care for home schooling (also on Google).  Sorry to be grim reaper-ish.  Schools still teach Ann Frank Diaries and all kinds of stuff to make lefty wimp kids.  They insist that if a kid hits you, you can't defend yourself.  'You mustn't hit back, you'll be as bad as them.'  Now there's a nation of pussy whipped, lefties (who scorn anyone who speaks facts) the gates are opened to the slaughterers.
Mousal (2 года назад)
+Danny Tokumei Children are being taught about anal sex in schools.  The German gvrnmnt Dept for Families released two paedophile guides for families in 2007/8.  One was later withdrawn, apparently but one writes something like this 'fathers do not pay enough attention their daughter clitoris and massaging the vagina.'   You can google it and see for yourself.  D'you see where this is going?  This talk at Oxford would never have been considered before.  There is an agenda here.  Teal Swan on YT openly sympathises with paedos and the DSM V categorised paedophilia,  I can see the age of consent being abolished v soon and paedos will flourish more than they already are.
Mousal (2 года назад)
+Danny Tokumei Glad to hear it.  Our body is really the only think we have control of and it's our most precious thing (as well as our mind ((being precious not under our control))). Media purposely conditions ppl to disregard respect for their body (in effort to turn ppl away from religion) but anyone whose body has been used knows that you can never wash it off. 
georgemiser (2 года назад)
The AOC will never be increased. A 16 year old is not a ''child'' and mental maturity means nothing. If it isn't rape, why should we care?
view1210 (2 года назад)
2:14 ohhhhh *dangerously implys that someone under 16 could consent to sex*... the bike probably broke from him trying to backpedal from that one... I feel sorry for fry that he's so educated and knowlegable on this subject and everyone else seems to allow their agenda to be set by the grabby headlines, biased news articles and feminist hysteria.
Htang Hkawn (2 года назад)
not everyone under 18 is clueless as you made it out to be. they can surely consent sex once they hit puberty. I started mastarbation when i was 11. I was fully aware of my sexual desire. it should be case by case.
Jairzinho121 (2 года назад)
You have to draw a line somewhere, or should their be no line?
John Muhleisen (5 дней назад)
At puberty is where the line needs to definitely be drawn. Any age before puberty should never be allowed and should always be illegal and off limits.
Paul Thoresen (2 года назад)
+Mea Culpa that is also a problem, because the reason children are generally considered off-limits is that they don't have the ability to consent therefore making it rape. So they could say yes, but really that could be you making them say yes out of fear or simply not knowing it is wrong
Wasu Myon (2 года назад)
+Jairzinho121 The line should be at nonconsent.
Johnny Torpedo (2 года назад)
I agree completely, but say this to your average white collar working man and the reaction you get will surely not be a pleasant one.
chan ngo (2 года назад)
damn, steve is messed up. good man though
tai hung Au (2 года назад)
Mr. Fry seems to be an expert in the field of prostitution...
Vermillion 303 (2 года назад)
Bollocks. I'm not a Christian and I've always been faithful. Christianity doesn't have a monopoly on fidelity.
Paul Thoresen (2 года назад)
+Januaryastral Wow news to me
Januaryastral (2 года назад)
+Paul Thoresen He's married
Paul Thoresen (2 года назад)
+tai hung Au has he ever been known to be in a relationship?
Matt Sturgeon (2 года назад)
+tai hung Au Seems to me that he is knowledgeable in most fields ;) Though that doesn't have quite the same exciting implications...
KreeZafi (2 года назад)
I think "age of consent" is a silly concept, and that the way it's treated should change. I live in Sweden and here it's 15, which I think is a little more sensible than the really high ages in some other countries, but even then I think it's kind of strange. What I'd like to replace it with is more severe punishment for sexual abuse of children (under 18). That is, they'd be looking at the circumstances first, and not just say something is rape because of a person's age. If someone does rape, molest, or otherwise sexually abuse a child, the punishment should be more severe than if they do it to an adult. Aside from that, age shouldn't really play much of a role in the matter. Entirely consensual sex with teenagers should not be a crime. Of course, when I say "consensual" I take things into consideration such as alcohol or other drugs, persuasion, positions of power or authority etc. A "yes" under the influence of substances or threats or something like that does obviously not count as consent. I might be able to accept 13 as the age of consent, with the motivation being that most people have hit puberty at that age and have therefore developed a sex drive. If they haven't hit puberty they probably aren't interested in sex and then it can't be truly consensual or willingly. But as a general rule, I'd say the circumstances are much more important than a number on a paper.
Arca Jeth (1 месяц назад)
+Red Shirt One We can't make rules based on the exception to them..
Sally Baddeley (1 месяц назад)
CrazyRider751 I assume since I'm talking about what Stephen Fry said, that you are Stephen Fry. You said on an interview on the Ruben Report.... “It’s a great shame and we’re all very sorry that your uncle touched you in that nasty place – you get some of my sympathy – but your self pity gets none of my sympathy. “Self pity is the ugliest emotion in humanity. Get rid of it, because no one’s going to like you if you feel sorry for yourself. The irony is we’ll feel sorry for you, if you stop feeling sorry for yourself. Grow up.” My views are different, I think if a child is being sexually abused, they want help to stop the abuse from happening. Pity is no help to them, but if everyone refuses to help them and tells them to grow up, of course the outcome is going to be self pity. I feel an enormous amount of pity towards a world that can't be bothered to care about the safety of children and pity for the children that we can't save because it's politically incorrect. And If a child goes through that and comes out the other end ok, I don't think they deserve to be pitied either, I think they shouldn't be judged at all. I don't think pity is a childish emotion, it's a terrible emotion that comes from being abused and adults who are abused feel it too if they try to get help and are told to grow up. Though I think if you were telling adults to grow up and not children who are being abused, it would be a bit different. I think pity could be avoided if, when a child says he or she is being raped, that child is taken out of the dangerous situation. To be clear I'm on about child rape, I know Red Shirt One said he enjoyed being fucked by grown men when he was 10, but if he enjoyed it, it's not rape. Though I disagree with grown men sleeping with children, I wouldn't expect him to feel any pity for going through something he wanted and enjoyed. The children who are pinned down, crying and struggling to get away as adults fuck them and then can't get anyone to stop putting them in that situation, I do expect to feel pity. The pity comes from the lack of empathy if anything. Basically I disagree with you on every point.
CrazyRider751 (1 месяц назад)
Where have I ever said anything that would even imply what you just tried to suggest that I said ?
Sally Baddeley (1 месяц назад)
I don't Red Shirt One. I don't know where you've got that idea from. I think children like to do things at there own time and with people of a similar age. You're probably going to think I'm ungrateful but, when I was 12 my Mums friend spend a couple of years raping me as a punishment because I told a teacher about my Mums boyfriend trying to kiss me with his tongue and the fact that he was a grown up inside my childs body was terrible. I am ungrateful, I wanted to die and have done ever since. I am one of those people Stephen Fry thinks is disgusting and deserves only hatred. I can honestly say if you are a child that is sleeping with children that haven't reached puberty yet, you will destroy them. When you were a child who was raped everyone does hate you, you spend the rest of your life being told you're sick and ungrateful and you need to change. Theres no exuse for PTSD.
Red Shirt One (1 месяц назад)
+Arca Jeth some people i have seen need to be 35 before they hit maturity
Blake Vivaldi (2 года назад)
Fry is an actor/writer/media performer & convicted criminal (credit-card fraud) with a posh accent. It's very silly to think he is overly intelligent, because he isn't. The "homosexualised and feminised" media support him because he is an advocate for the immorality they seek to peddle. He, like nearly all atheists, is arrogant, ignorant and a lazy wannabe intellectual. Atheists are unable to grasp that there is more to life than "the material." Therefore, if they can't see it, hear it, touch it, taste it, or smell it, then, they say, it doesn't exist. This is a very simplistic perspective on life & reality and entirely materialistic. It is also, most importantly, very easy for them to comprehend. Fry is a stock-standard media advocate for the new immoral paradigm that is actively promoting homosexuality, feminism, minority ethnic / social groups, catastrophic climate change, & excess consumption / gratification. In order to thrive, the immoral paradigm must destroy the values, traditions & democratic culture of western civilisation, because these values & traditions stand diametrically opposed to the degeneracy of the new paradigm.
NPC#6789 Orange Man Bad (1 год назад)
Blake Vivaldi provide a source then provide an argument how that isn't an ad hom fallacy. see here is the even if it's true that he was arrested for credit card fraud that in of itself doesn't refute or prove anything it's meaningless it's a classic form of an ad hom fallacy Blake Vivaldi I debate like that with everyone you aren't special I'm just having a bit of fun with you since I haven't debated in awhile
vikram kamaljith (1 год назад)
Oh yes, cite a crime when he was was 17 and use that to impale the character of a guy, who understood and contributed to the society he lives in most of his adult life. Any more wikileaks B--lake ?
Blake Vivaldi (1 год назад)
+Misanthropic_Asshole It's a matter of public record that Fry was jailed for credit-card fraud. No doubt you want to question that along with everything else. As for the other aspects of my assessment; I consider my views to be based on the most sound of facts. You don't like my views, so you bleat about "proof". Keep bleating, it's probably all you can do; you're clearly one of those people who seek out a weatherman to find which way the wind blows. Face it...I've struck a chord, you don't like it and now you're bleating. Everything I've said is entirely correct. And there it is.    
NPC#6789 Orange Man Bad (1 год назад)
+Blake Vivaldi You haven't proven any of it to be true
Blake Vivaldi (1 год назад)
+Misanthropic_Asshole It is correct because nothing in the statement is untrue. 
Jason Gardener (2 года назад)
Whether you agree with him or not, I think Stephen Fry is very brave to say these things. There comes a point in life and society where we must challenge these consensus, even those that scare us like consent and what defines a 'child'. Consent must be seen as a nuanced thing, and the time where it can be possible is as varied as the human race itself. One thing's for sure no one wants any child to be harmed or have sex impact their long term future, but we have to be as objective in this as we can. It's not a question easily answered but it is clear that a straight cut off point is not the way to go.
Faeden (3 месяца назад)
Jason Gardener You disgusting pedophile. The UK has laws that the age of consent is 16. As sex has serious consequences both physically and mentally. They are there for a reason. Anyoje trying to argue that sex with kids is ok should be hung with the pedophiles.
Matt Sturgeon (2 года назад)
+Jason Gardener By extension, nobody wants anybody to be harmed (mentally or physically) be non-consensual sex. I think what we need to ask ourselves is whether or not the ability to consent is truly related to being a certain age, (or even being a child) or whether it relates to a more blurred ability to think for ones self.
Jacqueline Brunder (2 года назад)
I used to have a lot of time for Fry but after his demonisation of the Russian people during the Winter Olympics for daring to have laws in place to protect their children from sexual predators I can't stand to listen to his voice.
connor (1 год назад)
Jacqueline Brunder The banning of gay practice and homosexuality is not protecting children
Borkborkwoof (2 года назад)
Wait, what? What's that all about?
RoobehTunes (2 года назад)
Seems like more an issue of trust and power than age. Are they choosing or obeying for sex? As we know the way people are conditioned and manipulated in their lives, especially early on is a bit of a haphazard mess that can be particularly riddled in this situation. It's to basic to have some arbitrary blanket "cut off point" between victim and abuser based on age. What needs to happen is proper analysis of the relationship between peoples involved. The problem seems to be who has the right to decide what is decent. You can't leave it to the involved parties and yet you can't really take decisions away from them either unless the rabbit hole is already being descended . I would say perhaps partial consent should be given by a parent/legal guardian but sometimes their negligence, fear, or even direct action results in the abuse taking place. Guardians should prevent abuses occurring but a mature and informed jury should judge the situation and parties involved when it has. That is my current opinion at least.
McStinkski (3 года назад)
Fry is right that this subject, age of consent, is a difficult one. Its still so taboo we (in the UK) fear talking about it to our closest friends and family.
John Muhleisen (5 дней назад)
It's because of the whole stupid fuckin peadophilia hysteria, and it's because most people today are so fuckin stupid ignorant irrational and illogical.
Sally Baddeley (1 месяц назад)
Red Shirt One I don't know what you're on about with gang signs either. I've never heard of gang signs until just. It's like the golden rule you guys keep mentioning. I haven't a clue, I'm not a part of a gang and don't live by the word of Stephen Fry. I don't know why you think I should.
Sally Baddeley (1 месяц назад)
Though Fry would say Aisha was sick getting that stressed about it.
Sally Baddeley (1 месяц назад)
Islam I disagree with, and the age of consent in the vatican. I do find it abusive. But I don't make the rules and can't change that. When Muhammad married Aisha it was sick. Her hair fell out due to stress and didn't grow back until she was 9. Luckily that saved her for 3 years.
Sally Baddeley (1 месяц назад)
Frys partner is an adult and a consenting one, I don't get what he has to do with child sexual abuse.

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