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How to Communicate the Ideas of Liberty (Stefan Molyneux interview)

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A listener remix from a recent interview I gave at LibertyFest West in Odessa Texas. Freedomain Radio is the largest and most popular philosophy show on the web - http://www.freedomainradio.com
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theo retical (5 лет назад)
top notch video
John Doe (5 лет назад)
Anarchy is rules without rulers, there's multiple definitions for the same word, just like conservative.
John Doe (5 лет назад)
Stop making that dishonest argument: Anarchy has multiple definitions, the one that Anarchists subscribe to is not chaos, it is rules without rulers, meaning no one has the right to initiate force. You also cannot say that government equals the opposite of chaos or is 'order' because government has slaughtered hundreds of millions of people. I'm not an anarchist, just stop saying nonsense.
John Doe (5 лет назад)
Anarchy is defined as chaos, however there are multiple definitions. Since we are having a political and philosophical conversation, Anarchy is rules without rulers, a stateless society where services and protection of rights are protected through voluntary means and private organizations. I'm not an anarchist, I'm a libertarian, so I believe in a limited government, so I disagree with anarchism, but it doesn't mean I get to make dishonest arguments against it.
Robert Chavis (5 лет назад)
@rheechashaipu So are you. Only difference is that, you embrace white supremacy.
Robert Chavis (5 лет назад)
@Deadwind002 And yet, anarchy is just that, chaos. You cannot prove that anarchy is a good thing.
Robert Chavis (5 лет назад)
@wiimooden Anarchy means chaos. There is no such thing as without rulers, for we will always need a government for law and order of the land. Anarchy just means chaos and destruction.
Alec Soltes (5 лет назад)
1. Just need to hit the reply button. 2. No, anarchy is not chaos. Lawlessness is chaos. Anarchy means "without rulers" not "without laws."
Red Phoenix (5 лет назад)
I don't want a society, I don't want freedom. I just want to be my own thing - which incorporates freedom btw. ;)
Robert Chavis (5 лет назад)
@uberneanderthal No, anarchy is chaos.
John Doe (5 лет назад)
"Anarchy is nothing more than a mindset that needs to go away. There is no such thing as good anarchy, because it's very core is to live without rules and without regard for everyone else." That's a straw man brother, you're talking about punk rock anarchy, or UK anarchy, not political anarchy which has a different definition. It's sort of like libertarianism; libertarianism used to be called liberalism, which is now called classical liberalism which is libertarianism. Words change over time.
John Doe (5 лет назад)
Also, to say that Anarchy is chaos while massive scale brutalities are taking place around the world is really something. Our currency is on the tail-end of a hundred year dissolution of inflation and very near it's collapse. We have nonstop war, bribery, secret prisons, erosion of liberty, torture and inflation. I'm not saying we don't need a form of societal organization, but when you base society on irrationality, you get irrationality. The world is chaos with government everywhere.
John Doe (5 лет назад)
Anarchy isn't chaos it's simply the complete rejection of the initiation of force, at all levels of human interaction. The word 'Anarchy' has multiple definitions, but politically speaking, 'Anarchy' is the belief in rules, not rulers. Unfortunately, bev61896 made the mistake of challenging socially accepted ideas through flaming and that pretty much siphons the gas out of your liberty car. Anarchy isn't chaos if we are speaking politically. From a libertarian.
alexolife (5 лет назад)
Succinct and sympathetic. This is something I can show people.
Hardwarez (6 лет назад)
Is there a rave going on in the next room?
D33Lux xx (6 лет назад)
That's true.
Robert Drake (6 лет назад)
And the best way do deal with people "working through" the issues as you say is to ban them and ignore them if they try to discuss it, right Stef?
Robert Drake (6 лет назад)
No use to complain If you're caught out in the rain; Your mother's quite insane. Cat food cat food cat food again.
Robert Chavis (6 лет назад)
I agree with your ideals, it's just that is not realistic. I see where you're coming from and I do agree with some of the things you're saying, however, what you believe is just not reality right now. Maybe someday with the advancement of technology, society can learn towards anarchy. In other words, get rid of the middle man which happnes to be government. I personally enjoy road anarchy, when the traffic lights goes out and everyone is being courtous towards each other.
bev61896 (6 лет назад)
You must have read the wrong definition of anarchy. The definition I believe in is a societal structure free from government or leaders. Free from power-hungry tyrants controlling the lives of others. Instead of arguing semantics, we should unite with a common goal- to free ourselves. Whatever you think anarchy means and my definition of it- does not matter. What I believe in is a peaceful society based on the non-aggression principle and voluntarism. I believe in freedom.
Robert Chavis (6 лет назад)
Because it's the anarchist mind set that led many to their downfall and the downfall of this country as well. Anarchy is nothing more than a mindset that needs to go away. There is no such thing as good anarchy, because it's very core is to live without rules and without regard for everyone else. So therefore, anarchy equals chaos.
bev61896 (6 лет назад)
Wrong. How can you blame anarchy for the state our country is in? The world is so screwed because of the statist system every country employs. It is because of the lack of anarchy (peace and leaderless-ness) in the world that we are faced with so many problems and so much suffering and grief. Anarchy simply means voluntarism, peace, and without leaders. It is the only rational solution to anything. Do not reply, because I know you will have nothing rational to say. Enjoy your misguided life.
Robert Chavis (6 лет назад)
You're so wrong on many levels. Anarchy is chaos, plan and simple. It amazes that you actually believe that anarchy is a good ting. This is the reason why the country is such in a sad state of affars now. I have disproven and out-argued you completely.
Robert Chavis (6 лет назад)
There is noting good about anarchy. I actually can't believe that you all are this gulliable enough to believe that something good comes from anarchy when in fact, its core is chaos.
Robert Chavis (6 лет назад)
Wrong, So wrong. I've told you why you're wrong, but you won't listen and you continue to a guy who prentends to be an anarchist. You just keep spewing your falsties even thought I have proven you wrong again and again and again. Once again, anarchy is chaos, plain and simple. Nothing good will ever come from anarchy and I just like to prove anarchists wrong on a daily basis. Just like how I proved lew rockwell wrong and strke-the-root wrong as well.
bev61896 (6 лет назад)
Wrong. So wrong. I've told you why you're wrong. But you won't listen. You just keep spewing your falsities even after I've disproven and out-argued you. I'm done with your sorry ass. Go ahead and reply with the same broken logic, but it won't prove anything besides your monumental stupidity.
Robert Chavis (6 лет назад)
Anarchy means chaos and it always will be. You're delusional because you actually believe in anything that stefan says. He is not an anarchist and again, you will not trade your rights or money for anarchy. If anarchy was here, you will not survive it at all. There is no such thing as peaceful anarchy. Anarchy is chaos, plan and simple.
bev61896 (6 лет назад)
I am done with you. You are so deluded and ignorant, you do not know your shit from your oatmeal. Anarchy means "without rulers". Plain and simple. It is not chaos; quite the contrary, the existence of the violent monopolistic state causes chaos. But nothing anyone says will get through to you. You are hopeless, a lost cause. So closed-minded. Delusional.
Robert Chavis (6 лет назад)
Again, you just do not understand anything. Also, anarchy stands for chaos. Nothing good ever came from anarchy and yes, you need a government. Again, you will not trade your rights for anarchy. You will not give up all of your money for anarchy is your money is based of the state or the federal reserve.
Robert Chavis (6 лет назад)
I do know what anarchy is and it's chaos. Always will be. I never said that anarchy is something you trade. I said that you will not trade your rights for living in a anrachy society. As usual, you use insults because you cannot come back at a clear manner. You're wrong and so duped by stefan because he himself is not an anarchist and neither is you. How sad that you're foolist enough to be believe that something good ever could come from anarchy. SMH.
bev61896 (6 лет назад)
You are unbelievably ignorant. I don't even know what to say. You are just so wrong on so many levels. You have no idea what anarchy is, or even what freedom is. Anarchy is not something you trade money,freedom, and rights for. That is a nonsensical notion. I am done wasting my time with you. You obviously cannot comprehend the intellectual issues with which we are dealing, or anything beyond a third grade level. You have been told again and again how wrong you are, but you keep repeating it.
Robert Chavis (6 лет назад)
Anarchy is indeed anti freedom and no, its not liberty. No, anarchy does mean without rules. Also, you don't call for liberation of people, you just geneally lying because there is noting good about anarchy. I debate anarchist like you and none of you will trade your rights or money for anarchy at all. So, please stop lying. I know that stefan is lying just for money in general, but that does not mean you have to be believe him. Anarchy equals chaos.
Krista WS (6 лет назад)
Never argue with a fool. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience. Really guys, stop feeding the statist troll. We're not idiot whisperers.
bev61896 (6 лет назад)
And why would we give up our rights for anarchy? You keep saying it over and over, but it doesn't make any sense. Nothing you say makes logical sense. The idea of anarchy is for everyone's personal liberty and rights to be respected and held supreme. To enslave ourselves for this concept, for liberation, makes no sense at all. Go get your head checked dude, you are off your rocker. Or you've just been fed a heavy dose of propaganda.
bev61896 (6 лет назад)
You are so ignorant. I don't even know where to begin in highlighting just how blatantly wrong you are. First of all, anarchy is not "anti-freedom"; quite the contrary actually, it is the very essence of complete liberty in all things. Your definition of anarchy is wrong. It means "without rulers". You are thinking of it in the stereotypical, propagandized version that you learn from the media. And yes, we are anarchists. We call for the abolishment of the state and the liberation of the people.
Robert Chavis (6 лет назад)
First of all, you don't own youtube or this comment page. Second, I am correct when I say that you're not an anarchist and anarchy is indeed anti-freedom. Third, it's people like you that I question this whole anarchy movement. I know that Stefan is not an anarchist. Again, none of you will give up your rights, especially right to bear arms for so called "anarchy". SMH.
bev61896 (6 лет назад)
Listen, you ignorant statist troll. Get off this comments page. You have no place here, and you are deteriorating the intellectual integrity of this space. Stop spamming with your pro-state, anti-freedom propaganda and your botched philosophy. People like you make me lose faith in humanity.
Robert Chavis (6 лет назад)
anarchy is chaos. You just dont know what anarchy is. Also, I never said that anarchy is a state. Please read before you comment. That is the problem with many of you when it comes to anarchy. You will not trade your rights or money for anarchy? SMH.
Roirrawtuclwob (6 лет назад)
Anarchy is no state. Not chaos you dumbshit.
Robert Chavis (6 лет назад)
Stefan is so wrong on all issues. He is not an anarchist. Also, none of you truly believe in anarchy because if society collapses, you will not make it when all hell breaks loose. I can assure you that.
Robert Chavis (6 лет назад)
No, it's that you are foolish for saying that anarchy is a good thing. you will not trade your rights for anything. You're just lying here. Please, stop lying about how you like anarchy.
Robert Chavis (6 лет назад)
Again, the is noting good about anarchy. None of you will trade your rights for liberty at all. A sucker is truly born every minute.
Robert Chavis (6 лет назад)
No, you're just again spreading this false idea that anarchy is good. You sound very foolish and even stefan himself is not an anarchist. You're very gulliable to believe in this guy.
Steff Prax (6 лет назад)
great lighting, but Stef sounds like he's in a bathroom ... lol
Sivels (6 лет назад)
Well, that certainly depends on your definitions of those words.
Robert Chavis (6 лет назад)
None of you are really anarchists or liberterians in the first place.
Robert Chavis (6 лет назад)
There is no such thing as liberty. To live free, you got to have order and rules, in other words, a government. There is no such thing as anarchy and it cannot exist. Well, it never will exist for long as there is people in this world. Even stefan molyneaux would not surive in anarchy. He loves the police force and the state.
Robert Chavis (6 лет назад)
Anarchy is chaos, without order, you will have mass chaos. This is why you need a government and a police force because without it, there will be mass murders on a grand scale. You do not have no type of evidence that proves that anarchy is peaceful nor good.
weavergrad (6 лет назад)
Goverments have never caused chaos? Duh??
weavergrad (6 лет назад)
@robertchavis do you have evidence? When you think in absolutes, you're nothing but absolutely wrong.
Robert Chavis (6 лет назад)
Anarchy is and always will be chaos.
theunshaved1 (6 лет назад)
No one is denying others the right to live without a state? All states currently impose their system on the territories they claim jurisdiction over. For the 3rd time, David, prove your claim. Prove that governments have these rights. Your insistence that anarchy is utopian is a red herring.
David Huisjen (6 лет назад)
Entirely false analogy. The fact that societies have never been completely egalitarian does not mean that slavery is inevitable or justifiable on racial lines. Many systems had already worked better for all concerned than the 18th-19th century trans-Atlantic slave trade. They knew that. It might be fair to take a Rawlsian approach though: If inevitably we need both field hands and supervisors, and you were destined to be one or the other, not knowing which, what rules would you set for each?
jeffiek (6 лет назад)
A nineteenth century version of yourself: -A sustainable human society without slavery has never existed. Thus granting freedom to slaves is inherently utopian. -Given this inevitability, the safest and most just model of slavery yet discovered is a government to impose standards on slave owners. Not perfect, but real Take your crap and shove it.
David Huisjen (6 лет назад)
Your polemic use of "violence" for any system that effectively restrains human action is a common fixation for anarchists, about which I have no illusions of being able to change your mind. If you can admit that all you have to offer is a Utopian fantasy, that will be as much as I can expect here. No one is denying you your right to this fantasy and the only reasons I can see for your potential imprisonment would be disturbing others' peace or sabotage of services others wish to benefit from.
theunshaved1 (6 лет назад)
So since you cannot envision how a society could operate without a government or that there has never been such a society, I must accept your preferred monopoly on violence? What if after a 5 minute conversation with the average voter, I determine that democracy is retarded and evil? Will you allow me to opt out or will you have your state goons put me in a cage? Again, I ask you to prove the legitimacy of government. Thus far, all I see is your anxiety in the form of a Hobbesian non argument.
David Huisjen (6 лет назад)
My dear whiskered opponent, my basic approach is simple enough even for an anarchist to understand: - A sustainable human society involving mutual care on the macro level has never existed without an authority or power structure of some sort. Thus humanitarian anarchism is inherently utopian. - Given this inevitability, the safest and most just model yet discovered is a liberal democracy of the more Nordic type. Not perfect, but real. For more detail see my blog itself.
theunshaved1 (6 лет назад)
It doesn't matter if anarchists are evangelical or not. And trying to associate anarchy with Objectivism or utopia makes you look sadly ignorant. They're either correct that no man has the right to rule over another or they are not. Anarchy is the null hypothesis to the belief that any government has legitimacy. If you think government is legitimate, the burden of proof lies squarely on your shoulders. If you cannot offer proof, logic dictates that you must retract your position. Good luck.
David Huisjen (6 лет назад)
This video actually just further proves that I wasn't constructing a man of straw in my recent blog on this subject: "The Gospel According to Anarchy" on "Huisjen's Philosophy Blog" on Wordpress.
love72512 (6 лет назад)
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Kibeer Bueskytter (6 лет назад)
Ooops. Nielsio is the right name, sorry. Gonna check that other guy :)
AtFullTilt (6 лет назад)
I looked up this Nielso on youtube and after checking out his videos I'm hoping that you have misspelled the name.
Kibeer Bueskytter (6 лет назад)
You misunderstood me. Which is not surprising - I wrote it a bit clumsy. I just wanted to point out that the psychological aspect of things. Yes, Stef is also dealing with it but I haven't heard it in this video - the psychological connection arguments. I mentioned Nielso because he has very important videos on his channel dealing with this. It wasn't meant as a put down or competition.
Kibeer Bueskytter (6 лет назад)
Dear Stefan, your rational words fall on deaf ears. Our world is full of Grown Wounded Children made of shame, low or phony self esteem and distrusting themselves and everybody else - desperately trying to hide behind the false security of big nanny state. Break this and you have your voluntary society devoid of force. Nielso's channel has it all - Liberty and psychotherapy.
TheCaptainSlappy (6 лет назад)
Good catch...you see, this game with Moly-Hucks is absolutely about "freedom"...his to make big bank on the "paytriot circuit"...and you to pay. It's a great system, just ask him...the psuedo-philosophers always make great bureaucrats, but piss-poor foot-soldiers. And that is what he is banking on his kulties becoming. NOTHING quite says freedom like listening to a busted record repeat itself for $20 a pop.
hex0mega (6 лет назад)
You're right I totally agree. A lot of people seem to have this worry that everyone except themselves are idiots, who can't make responsible decisions. It kinda makes sense for them to give up a bit of freedom to have the state play babysitter, but what's happened is that people never grow up and become more and more dependent each year that goes by. If we'd just give freedom and personal responsibility a chance we'd grow up in a hurry and be far better off. It's a viscous cycle we're in!
TheCaptainSlappy (6 лет назад)
NEVER point out the obvious to kooks and kulties. They find it mentally upsetting, and as we all know...let a sleeping kook lie in his own brain-grave.
shlockofgod (6 лет назад)
"What if a child is wandering into traffic, isn't it morally acceptable to initiate force against that child by pulling him away from the oncoming traffic? " That's not what the NAP is. That's a literal reading of it. You are not initiating force in those circumstances. There's a more than reasonable expectation that the child is not being forced to do something against their will.
Max Pasemko (6 лет назад)
It seems the old farts who bank on governments going bust are afraid and insecure of the highly evolved youth movement, so they build bigger prisons & deadlier weapons, manufacture controversy in the media, write draconian laws, & generally make the planet more uncomfortable for everyone. It's greedy, selfish, amoral, and childish.
goose1077 (6 лет назад)
One problem we have is that although people want to be free themselves, they believe other people are stupid and need to be controlled. They are willing to give up some of their freedom to control other people. While there is some element of truth to the stupidity argument, I think people would be a lot smarter if they knew they had to pay for their on mistakes. A person I know only worked about 5 months out of 9 years. I bet if she slept in the street a few nights, she's find work.
not2tees (6 лет назад)
These excerpts seem to work well, to introduce such ideas to new, open minds, as many other commenters also say here. Thumbs up.
Neanderthalcouzin (6 лет назад)
Can someone tell me the song that's playing at the end??
OudeicratAnnachrista (6 лет назад)
good question, but it's less about whether initiation of force is justified in such cases and more about whether that is really the full meaning of initiation of force. Think of initiation of force more as criminal wrongdoing.
Natritious (6 лет назад)
same here :(
Textra1 (6 лет назад)
This is the stupidest and most childish thing I have read today. I'm approaching a 6% event.
Mark butcher (6 лет назад)
That is not true.
Mark butcher (6 лет назад)
Confirmation bias
llamaczar (6 лет назад)
I would love to see more like this. Short, consice, candid, really regets the point across. It's hard to get/ask others to watch something longer than 5 minutes when it doesn't already fit their paradigm of 'I'll die without taxes'.
John III Sobieski (6 лет назад)
Dumb question alert: I like the idea of the non-agression principle, but it seems there are a few (very limited) circumstances where it's perfectly okay to violate it. What if a child is wandering into traffic, isn't it morally acceptable to initiate force against that child by pulling him away from the oncoming traffic? Or what about if a child swallows something poisonous, is it okay to force them to throw up so you can save their life?
depublished (6 лет назад)
Wow! That was great!
cosigna103 (6 лет назад)
@zerk54 i agree with that.. I think people like the idea of freedom but for it to be reality means that change has to happen. A majoriy of people i feel are scared of change
repfreedomforce (6 лет назад)
Check out more like this one at channel repfreedomforce :)
repfreedomforce (6 лет назад)
"Moonlight" by Flinch (Underwater EP)
Joe Walker (6 лет назад)
I dig the outro music. Who is it?
zerk54 (6 лет назад)
Great video. However I think that most people would rather be comfortable than free. The don't want the work that comes with absolute freedom.
Peter Martinson (6 лет назад)
I love the KalashCamera!
omNomios (6 лет назад)
Good lighting; good lense; good speaker.
Met (6 лет назад)
This is a ridiculous arguement, even if you're right(which you're not), then what are we going to do? Go out rape, steal, pillage and murder?
Julian (6 лет назад)
The bacteria would be iniciating force, not the person, who has not choice in the matter of wether or not they get the bacteria. Your arguement is flawed on so many levels. Bacteria lives everywhere, on everything, from the air you breathe, to the depths of the oceans. That's not any individuals use of force. You have a defense mechanism to deal with the bacteria, because it's the bacteria that is attacking, not the person who might have been sick.
Miguel Serra (6 лет назад)
The whole libertarianism thing is about free will. We're not willingly spreading deadly bacteria in order to eventually kill someone. We can't possibly hold the bacteria from our breath. However, were you mortally ill and walking around coughing into people's faces, you'd be willingly trying to kill them.
xcvsdxvsx (6 лет назад)
great talk stef! You spared everyone your "my morality is right and yours is wrong" and went instead with "here's what i want and why i think it would be great", a much more effective strategy i believe.
NecessariusVerum (6 лет назад)
SuperAtheist (6 лет назад)
thanks for telling us you're retarded.
C.S. Taylor, Jr. (6 лет назад)
AKA how to communicate at all. <3
Alex Laird (6 лет назад)
As a ghost and most recent victim of shogu666's "death breath" I agree that he should turn himself in...
Natritious (6 лет назад)
shogu666 (6 лет назад)
You breathing is an initiation of force , by walking around and spreading potentially deadly bacteria. You should eliminate your self according to non aggression principle.
Robert Allen Williamson Sr (6 лет назад)
you are a Marxist
thewikileaksfan (6 лет назад)
dubstep sucks :)
Alex Laird (6 лет назад)
The links at the end of the video are missing at the moment...

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